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in a row totally listen from each other

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lot of people wondering for what there's

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gonna be time I would say it's like

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nothing they've ever seen before many

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investigators caught the largest

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time seen by the largest number of

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itself explained shortly after 8:00 p.m.

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they were big they were

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and good morning from Philadelphia Frank

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here James come in from West just in New

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York and this is UFO News Network Sunday

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we've got with us today dr. Lynn khatai

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and she's gonna tell us all about the

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Phoenix Lake case one of the really

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amazing cases where an entire community

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got up in arms and seems like cases like

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this maybe can come up once a decade I

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recent that was 2008 10 years ago

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already we are due for another one

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Phoenix lights set in the 90s going back

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to the 80s Hudson Valley in the 60s in

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cases up in Michigan but this is one of

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those once-a-decade kinds of cases and

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dr. Lynn you were right in the middle of

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all this tell us and yeah you're still

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in the middle of all this I still

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keeping this case going as still

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disseminating information about what

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happened 20 21 years ago already where

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do you want to start that do you want to

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start with that how you got into it all

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you want to start talking about actually

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those are intertwined because and by the

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way thank you so much Frank and James

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for you know having me share this

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information which by the way even UFO

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experts and colleagues

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unless you've read the book the Phoenix

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lights a skeptics discovery that we are

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not alone that took over seven years to

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in the making after the mass sighting in

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want to come forward and we'll talk

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about that there is so much more to the

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story that people have not heard I felt

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it was really important to share the

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data as it unfolded in the story itself

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is really fascinating from but for

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very busy my life's work not only as a

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adolescent medicine but on medical

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public which I've been doing now for

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over 40 years on vital health issues

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actually started in Philadelphia Frank

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pioneer in the field nobody was doing

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before I went to medical school which is

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coincidences it came out ten years

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your character Florence Arizona and UFOs

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actually Cokie and for anybody that

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knows Phoenix at the phoenicians resort

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microphone and my husband's face and

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please don't print that if his mama

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reads actual lose all hope which we'll

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jumping forward to 95 um without any

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interest or dollars unit and actually

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the truth the UFO topic because of all

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from Beverly Hills night so I know and

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to add that was standing at our window

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can picture it if anybody's near a

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computer and they want to get on the

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Phoenix lights net which is packed with

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there because there is so much data on

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there to enjoy and learn and and anyway

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unique collection of thirty

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five-millimeter photographs that have

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varsity optical physicist as true

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unknowns but what happened was that one

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the mountain so we have a panoramic view

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of the city skyline and you can see one

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the topography and so we were very used

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lights and so forth as well it happened

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birthday February 6 my birthday February

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7th and I was in the other room taking a

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a sudden and he's on several medical

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boards and hospital boards and never one

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to be ruffled that anything was very

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alarmed he says oh my god what the hell

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is that get over here quick and I jump

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wringing wet and literally below us

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landscape which is very treacherous and

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that behind the home underneath us was

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actually three orbs and I call them an

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ore because the light did not extend

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outside the edge and in a pyramid

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formation one on top and two closely

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oh my goodness I've got to get a picture

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of this but my video camera was

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downstairs I didn't want to miss

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anything

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and you'll hear that over and over again

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guys that when people see something

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totally extraordinary they're there

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they're stuck they're there and they

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don't want to move and I try to take

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everything in mentally the size the

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shape the color they were about three to

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six feet each depending on how close

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they were they were orbs again because

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elected not extend outside the edge it

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was self-contained and it was a very

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uniform amber light and you will hear

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again people that see these phenomena

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called the Phoenix lights and one

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they were actually oval shape like an

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egg on its side and there were three

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distinct objects and I really took

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everything in that I could mentally and

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I saw it and the other thing was that

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they didn't even to layer every other

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light out there glared has lights street

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lights car light these did not glare

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they were very soothing very mesmerizing

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and I thought if I don't get a picture

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of this nobody's gonna believe it and I

285
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go running to the closet to grab my 35

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millimeter and thank goodness that was

287
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what I would tuck these pictures with

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because they're in the negative it

289
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cannot be denied and I collect sunsets

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so I had it handy right there and I go

291
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running to the closet to grab my camera

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and by the way there's two amazing

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sunset shots on that photo page if you

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go to the bottom of the last two where I

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also call it a month apart

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in the same location these giant rod

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shaped craft that have been seen not

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only throughout Arizona particularly up

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at the Navajo Nation I'm working with

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Navajo Rangers now who are who are

301
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actually studying and law enforcement

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that's taking this seriously

303
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but that's they're pretty interesting I

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didn't see these objects when I took the

305
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picture but they're in the negative

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anyway I go to grab my get over your

307
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quick one of them is disappearing and as

308
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we watched in and shear off the top orb

309
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and it's so hard to describe logically

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but it started to shrink very very

311
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slowly the only thing I could liken it

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to and you know other than Star Trek and

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et and Close Encounters because we have

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two boys at the time you know that sort

315
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that went in my head was do you remember

316
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how the Romulan Romulan cloaking device

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would like waiver before well these

318
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didn't do that I just really took that

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it seemed like but it didn't budge from

320
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the other two it's like it was shrinking

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and fading like a dimmer light until it

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was gone but

323
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felt like it was still there even though

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we didn't see it where did we go okay I

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go out on the balcony I shoot a quick

326
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picture the two lower orbs in that

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picture is on the photo plate on the

328
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Phoenix lights Network website and

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immediately noticed an eerie silence as

330
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if time had stopped I always go back to

331
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this first sighting in 95 because it's

332
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as real as I'm talking to you now I mean

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this was so bizarre as if time had

334
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stopped and as intently as I'm watching

335
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the two lower orbs and I did not admit

336
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this to anyone until two years later

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when I finally admitted to Jim Dolorosa

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one of the chief investigators after the

339
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mass sighting that going through my mind

340
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at that moment because it is intently as

341
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I was watching these two lower orbs it

342
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felt like something was watching me and

343
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I was thinking who are you what are you

344
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do know that I'm here I'd love to meet

345
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you and the next thing I remember

346
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something told me to take a picture and

347
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as I'm ready to take the picture the

348
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left bottom orab started to shrink very

349
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very slow mechanically as if there was

350
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an intelligence behind it and I quickly

351
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shot a picture for that that was the

352
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only one that turned out at the time but

353
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for me it was unbelievable that I happen

354
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to catch this one or the left bottom or

355
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half disappeared and one stole there

356
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would you verified to me that something

357
00:18:25,620 --> 00:18:23,200
strange didn't happen I caught her on

358
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the 35 millimeter but I didn't know

359
00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:27,250
anybody that was into the topic I didn't

360
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even know who to show it to and I just

361
00:18:32,669 --> 00:18:30,700
wondered and I'm a pretty educated

362
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person and I knew nothing about this

363
00:18:37,500 --> 00:18:35,380
topic at all what this advanced

364
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technology was doing outside our bedroom

365
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window particularly and I have to know

366
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this since we lived nestled in the

367
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mountains

368
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it's a no-fly zone and so there's

369
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definitely no chance that it was

370
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military but very interestingly if you

371
00:18:55,860 --> 00:18:53,559
go to those pictures and I did find it

372
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out after we start to investigate it two

373
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years later that I had more pictures on

374
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those strips from the close sighting and

375
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I ended up sending the first and the

376
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last picture to dr. Bruce Maccabee and

377
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this is getting a little ahead of myself

378
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but I I think it's important to share

379
00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:12,550
this

380
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close sighting because I don't know you

381
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know it's something did happen because

382
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what I shared with you is what I

383
00:19:25,230 --> 00:19:23,110
remember that's I don't remember going

384
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inside I don't remember looking at the

385
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clock what I share with you is what I

386
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remember but the pictures themselves I

387
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:32,050
sent to dr. Bruce Maccabee Navy optical

388
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physicist very well respected in the

389
00:19:40,740 --> 00:19:36,970
field on the UFO field as well as you

390
00:19:42,450 --> 00:19:40,750
know in the military yeah and he gave me

391
00:19:44,130 --> 00:19:42,460
a call a couple weeks later and this was

392
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like an afterthought by the way because

393
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the lights not only appear on march 13th

394
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which we'll get to but they were

395
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appearing for weeks before and then they

396
00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:52,840
appeared again a year later and we have

397
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:55,300
that video from four different vantage

398
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points in the documentary that people

399
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:00,190
can take a look at and I sent the four

400
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copies to dr. Maccabee and as an

401
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afterthought I sent the first and last

402
00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:06,070
picture to him and he called me a couple

403
00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:09,340
weeks later and he said you told me that

404
00:20:13,050 --> 00:20:10,660
the close sighting was only a couple

405
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:13,060
minutes I said great he said are you

406
00:20:16,620 --> 00:20:15,370
sure I said that's what I remember he

407
00:20:20,220 --> 00:20:16,630
said to ask your husband well

408
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:20,230
interestingly as a little aside he would

409
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:22,570
never talk about it now he was inside I

410
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:24,730
was outside they said he's one that

411
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:26,170
would never be ruffled about anything

412
00:20:29,610 --> 00:20:27,730
but every time I brought the close

413
00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:29,620
sighting up he would get agitated and

414
00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:30,820
didn't want to talk about it so I

415
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:33,430
stopped talking about it and to me it

416
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,530
was wondering you know just still in awe

417
00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:40,240
and always looking up at the sky to see

418
00:20:45,030 --> 00:20:42,460
if I saw anything similar which I didn't

419
00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:45,040
for two years but at any rate um I sat

420
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:47,080
my husband down because dr. McAfee said

421
00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:48,610
look you have to cooperate with him

422
00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:51,190
since he saw - and I said look we're not

423
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:52,840
gonna talk about this close sighting but

424
00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:54,970
just tell me how long you sort of you

425
00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:56,860
know remember it being he said I don't

426
00:21:02,190 --> 00:20:58,930
know two three four minutes tops I said

427
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:02,200
fine I go back to dr. McAfee and again

428
00:21:07,950 --> 00:21:06,640
if anybody is on the web you know it's

429
00:21:09,870 --> 00:21:07,960
really interesting if you can look at

430
00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:09,880
the pictures you'll see because again

431
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:11,860
they're 35 millimeter and it's on the

432
00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:14,170
negative it cannot be denied he says

433
00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:17,710
first of all the same phenomena this is

434
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:22,800
really poignant facts and data the same

435
00:21:29,380 --> 00:21:25,730
mile wide phenomenon the

436
00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:29,390
I would also catch on thirty

437
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:32,390
five-millimeter and then on video on

438
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:34,130
thirty five-millimeter two months before

439
00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:35,600
the mass sighting and we'll get to that

440
00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:36,230
in a second

441
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:38,180
and during the mass sighting on video

442
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:41,150
was in the background in the same exact

443
00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:45,440
location as 97 that was one thing I

444
00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:46,550
would have never noticed it I just

445
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:48,980
thought it was part of the landscape but

446
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:50,990
it's right there I mean the same exact

447
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,320
phenomenon plus he said look at this

448
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:57,200
look at the skyline him before before I

449
00:22:02,860 --> 00:21:58,850
mentioned that I want to just mention

450
00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:02,870
they during the mass sighting people

451
00:22:07,210 --> 00:22:05,750
actually saw these orbs detach I mean

452
00:22:09,910 --> 00:22:07,220
the technology was incredible which will

453
00:22:11,710 --> 00:22:09,920
get to detach from the main object go

454
00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:11,720
out into the environment and then redock

455
00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:13,820
with it later is that what might have

456
00:22:17,470 --> 00:22:16,340
happened in 95 we can only speculate but

457
00:22:19,420 --> 00:22:17,480
be that as it may

458
00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:19,430
dr. Maccabee says to me but the most

459
00:22:23,170 --> 00:22:21,070
important thing about these pictures

460
00:22:27,070 --> 00:22:23,180
from the first picture in the last

461
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:27,080
picture is this skyline I said okay he

462
00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:29,330
says look at the skyline in the first

463
00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:31,220
picture there's many more lights that

464
00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:33,620
are on in the first picture and we're

465
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:36,350
talking groups of lights that are off in

466
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:40,130
the last picture and he says and we're

467
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,110
talking many we're talking at least a

468
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:43,280
half a dozen or more

469
00:22:46,510 --> 00:22:45,260
he says that doesn't happen in a couple

470
00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:46,520
minutes he says I want you to do an

471
00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:50,060
experiment and by the way his 21 page

472
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:52,370
report is on the website if anybody

473
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:54,530
wants to read it but anyway he says I

474
00:22:59,980 --> 00:22:57,530
want to do an experiment and to go out

475
00:23:03,400 --> 00:22:59,990
to you know approximately the same

476
00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:03,410
location that you were shooting at in 95

477
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:05,510
and shoot the skyline and keep in mind

478
00:23:10,060 --> 00:23:07,310
that this is three years later but he

479
00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:10,070
said you know shoots a skyline one night

480
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:12,020
every hour the next night every half

481
00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:13,610
hour and I actually did another night

482
00:23:17,620 --> 00:23:15,920
every 15 minutes to see when these

483
00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:17,630
lights these groups of lights go out

484
00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:20,990
well he analyzed the whole thing very

485
00:23:26,110 --> 00:23:23,150
meticulously I mean he is an incredible

486
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,120
incredible scientist and what he came

487
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:29,120
back with by the way he presented this

488
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:32,330
case and I did not share it I'll do that

489
00:23:39,010 --> 00:23:35,300
in 10 with the public but because it's

490
00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:39,020
so bizarre but he shared this case

491
00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:40,790
and he asked me can I please share this

492
00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:43,160
case at the MUFON the upcoming MUFON

493
00:23:48,460 --> 00:23:45,860
1999 international symposium in

494
00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:48,470
Washington DC and I said dr. McAfee this

495
00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:50,300
is your baby I would have never ever

496
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:53,750
noticed and realizes that it unless you

497
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:56,570
had analyzed it I said but please keep

498
00:24:01,540 --> 00:23:59,120
my name out of it I stayed anonymous and

499
00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:01,550
I mean anonymous for seven years and he

500
00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:03,920
was kind enough as for the handful of

501
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:05,900
other people didn't do the data that I

502
00:24:12,850 --> 00:24:08,990
had that I was having analyzed presented

503
00:24:16,299 --> 00:24:12,860
the case in 1999 as the first if not the

504
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:16,309
only authenticated photographic evidence

505
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,150
of missing time that there were hours in

506
00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:23,360
between those pictures not just minutes

507
00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:25,870
and we can get to that later because

508
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:32,870
their timestamp in the actual photos he

509
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:36,770
did is strictly by analyzing the the

510
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:40,250
skyline you can read it and I also have

511
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:43,370
it in the latest edition of the book you

512
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:45,290
know how he analyzed this and the

513
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:47,510
details of that but I just wanted to you

514
00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:50,330
know interject this here because the 95

515
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:52,550
sighting was so unusual and so

516
00:24:57,730 --> 00:24:56,210
incredibly mind-boggling and and

517
00:25:00,970 --> 00:24:57,740
powerful and I have thirty

518
00:25:03,730 --> 00:25:00,980
five-millimeter photographs to confirm

519
00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:03,740
that it really did happen the two years

520
00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:07,790
later after not seeing anything even

521
00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:11,900
close to those close phenomena I noticed

522
00:25:17,980 --> 00:25:15,860
three giant balls of amber light in a

523
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:17,990
line formation equidistant from each

524
00:25:25,570 --> 00:25:23,330
other far west this was January 97 and I

525
00:25:28,299 --> 00:25:25,580
watched them for a while and it started

526
00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:28,309
to sink in at number one they were huge

527
00:25:33,220 --> 00:25:30,200
and they were at distance but they were

528
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:33,230
in a line formation equidistant from

529
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:35,570
each other they were amber and as I

530
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:38,650
watched each one from right to left

531
00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:42,559
imploded shrunk just like 95 and I

532
00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:44,120
mentioned to my husband he kind of blew

533
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:46,820
it off and the next night he was at a

534
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:48,410
medical board meeting and I was about

535
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:51,050
eight o'clock and I see the same three

536
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,370
orbs

537
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:55,279
now in front of South Mountain and again

538
00:26:00,000 --> 00:25:57,190
if you look at the picture of topography

539
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:00,010
on the Phoenix lights Network photo page

540
00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:03,650
you'll see that the airport is just in

541
00:26:09,789 --> 00:26:07,400
front of South Mountain which has red

542
00:26:11,769 --> 00:26:09,799
blinking lights on top of the mountain

543
00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:11,779
to alert planes coming in to Sky Harbor

544
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:14,029
that there's a mountain there and I

545
00:26:19,690 --> 00:26:17,720
noticed immediately that these orbs were

546
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:19,700
in front of South Mountain they were

547
00:26:25,149 --> 00:26:22,970
lower than these red blinking lights and

548
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,159
I thought okay enough I'm gonna get

549
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,440
video of this and I run out front I get

550
00:26:32,110 --> 00:26:29,720
about 18 seconds worth and the battery

551
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:32,120
goes dead and it was charged okay so I

552
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,730
go on go inside I hook up the battery I

553
00:26:40,779 --> 00:26:37,520
go outside they're going about a half

554
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:40,789
hour later at 8:30 I go outside I hear

555
00:26:44,289 --> 00:26:42,710
my husband coming up the drive and I go

556
00:26:47,049 --> 00:26:44,299
outside and I said honey remember I told

557
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:47,059
you about those three amber orbs in a

558
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:50,330
row and a line would just a mine um last

559
00:26:53,769 --> 00:26:52,010
night Farwest well about a half an hour

560
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,779
ago they were right in front of South

561
00:26:58,539 --> 00:26:55,840
Mountain as I'm pointing

562
00:27:01,779 --> 00:26:58,549
they've reappeared in the same spot I

563
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:01,789
kid you not but I my god I've got to get

564
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:03,590
a picture of this now again I don't

565
00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:04,970
believe in coincidence anymore because

566
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,100
it's in video and it's very important to

567
00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:09,679
share this in video though it does not

568
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:11,870
do these lights justice they're much

569
00:27:19,149 --> 00:27:15,049
smaller they white they flicker very

570
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,159
unlike the huge amber balls that people

571
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:21,440
were seeing and these were but I go

572
00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:23,450
upstairs I grab my 35 millimeter I'm

573
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:26,870
ready to take this to me suddenly six

574
00:27:33,639 --> 00:27:29,929
lights pop on above the three massive

575
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,649
spent over a mile wide I started to

576
00:27:38,649 --> 00:27:35,360
shake and if you look at the first

577
00:27:41,889 --> 00:27:38,659
picture of that series in January of 97

578
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,899
it's wavy because I was shaking not an

579
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,720
answer yeah not having an answer for 95

580
00:27:50,139 --> 00:27:46,640
I mean going through my mind is oh my

581
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:50,149
god is this a mothership or that unusual

582
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:52,970
but I kept clicking away thank goodness

583
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:55,190
because the second picture which is

584
00:28:01,600 --> 00:27:58,970
really important is exactly what people

585
00:28:04,810 --> 00:28:01,610
would describe two months later during

586
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:04,820
the mass sighting on March 13 1997

587
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,820
it's

588
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:08,640
five lights and a v-formation massive

589
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:11,490
spam with two lights following and if

590
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:14,010
you look at that picture it's the center

591
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:16,770
one is really big and then there's two

592
00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:19,410
lights on each side five lights with two

593
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:21,540
it looks underneath that's exactly what

594
00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:24,510
people saw two months later and then as

595
00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:27,420
I'm clicking away as I'm catching this

596
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:32,190
phenomenon head-on it starts turning to

597
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,490
the right and I caught it again I mean I

598
00:28:39,740 --> 00:28:37,200
caught these pictures as it was turning

599
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:39,750
well I have to admit thighs that it was

600
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:43,110
very unnerving and I next morning I

601
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:44,970
figured look being a healthy skeptic

602
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,170
that I am there must be a logical

603
00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:48,480
explanation for this somebody else must

604
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,030
have seen this this was massive and I

605
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,400
called around found air-traffic

606
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,500
controllers at Sky Harbor International

607
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,320
Airport who saw the same thing and they

608
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:01,020
were very forthcoming initially and we

609
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:03,870
even had a briefing after the mass

610
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,230
sighting which is in the book at the

611
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,020
same time as I was shooting this they

612
00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:13,320
were seeing this phenomena over Class B

613
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:15,030
restricted airspace now let me explain

614
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:17,490
there's a 30-mile radius around the

615
00:29:21,470 --> 00:29:19,770
center of the airport it's anyone that

616
00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:21,480
goes into that airspace particularly a

617
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:23,190
thousand feet altitudes at this

618
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:26,070
phenomena wise must call into the tower

619
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,270
and no one did

620
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:30,000
so they got bill armed and this was this

621
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:31,710
is closer than that it was like five

622
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:34,110
miles out they took their binoculars to

623
00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:36,690
look and in their own words this is what

624
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:39,270
they described six points of like

625
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,740
totally equidistant from each other

626
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:43,320
massive span over a mile wide that

627
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,990
seemed to be attached to something but

628
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,700
they couldn't quite see what it was

629
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:50,100
attached to or as if there was a force

630
00:29:53,540 --> 00:29:51,930
field in between holding him a rock

631
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,550
solid formation which you would hear

632
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:55,740
over and over again by thousands of

633
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:56,250
people

634
00:29:59,500 --> 00:29:57,960
two months later during the mass

635
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:59,510
sighting and one of them was a

636
00:30:03,410 --> 00:30:01,380
meteorologist and knew what he was

637
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:03,420
talking about and said it actually this

638
00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:07,050
whole thing turned as a unit against the

639
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:08,030
wind

640
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:11,730
elevated slowly in synchrony and moved

641
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,120
slowly behind mountain so I said so what

642
00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:18,000
were they and there was silence and then

643
00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:19,670
one of them said beats me I said you're

644
00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:24,340
traffic control they ruled out every

645
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:27,340
conventional aircraft balloons

646
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:32,810
helicopters even skydivers and flares by

647
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:35,090
the way and even skydivers with lights

648
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:38,210
they ruled out everything plus another

649
00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:40,490
interesting aside which just came to

650
00:30:45,490 --> 00:30:43,880
light a few months ago and I actually

651
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:45,500
have it in the book

652
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,970
because two months later during the mass

653
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:52,730
sighting which I'll get to details in a

654
00:30:58,300 --> 00:30:54,790
second which is in itself mind-boggling

655
00:31:02,560 --> 00:30:58,310
there was a pilot on approach to Sky

656
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:02,570
Harbor and I got video of these lights

657
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:06,800
as it was happening and he was approved

658
00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:09,080
about five miles out and called into the

659
00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:11,390
tower to say what the hell are these

660
00:31:19,690 --> 00:31:16,700
lights totally they shared it with me I

661
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:19,700
have it in the in the book well the

662
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:22,310
person that this happens though this

663
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:25,490
private pilot happens to be and he just

664
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,650
came forward a few months ago when his

665
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,320
new movie guardians of the galaxy or

666
00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:32,720
whatever came forward was actor Kurt

667
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,520
Russell yes and if you go to the news

668
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:39,950
page on the Phoenix lights Network

669
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:42,290
website you'll see the link that has his

670
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:45,710
interview in UK where they asked him

671
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,260
about this and he divulged jiz for the

672
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,720
first time they he was on approached

673
00:31:56,530 --> 00:31:53,120
with his son his son was coming to

674
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:56,540
Phoenix they have a home here and right

675
00:32:00,940 --> 00:31:58,100
in front of them were these lights and

676
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:00,950
he actually didn't even think about it

677
00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:03,050
until a couple years ago there was a

678
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:04,760
show about the Phoenix lights on TV and

679
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:06,740
Goldie Hawn who he has been his partner

680
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:09,140
for some years was watching it and he

681
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,760
walked in and said wait a minute

682
00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:13,840
I saw that and he went back to his log

683
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:17,270
and actually looked it up and that was

684
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:19,580
him he has all the information there

685
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,230
from that night which is another little

686
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,510
interesting aside but getting back to

687
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,720
the mass sighting two months later after

688
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:29,600
this happened I continued taking video

689
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:31,610
and photographs of these anomalous

690
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:33,650
phenomena as other people were

691
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:36,950
by the way and move on I should add and

692
00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:40,000
I'll be presenting at the night at the

693
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,180
2018 mufon international symposium July

694
00:32:50,020 --> 00:32:47,360
27th 28th 27th and 28th Friday and

695
00:32:53,050 --> 00:32:50,030
Saturday in Cherry Hill New Jersey and

696
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:53,060
Cherry Hill New Jersey on Friday I'll be

697
00:32:59,740 --> 00:32:56,350
presenting free for the public a

698
00:33:01,450 --> 00:32:59,750
two-hour presentation and people can

699
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:01,460
come in and see the pictures and all

700
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:02,570
that good stuff and I'm going to get

701
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:04,910
into a lot more and how the midea out

702
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:06,920
unfolded through the media as well and

703
00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:09,080
then on Saturday morning I'm lecturing

704
00:33:13,570 --> 00:33:12,260
at 10:30 and then showing the

705
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:13,580
documentary or internationally

706
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:16,310
award-winning documentary the Phoenix

707
00:33:22,390 --> 00:33:18,370
lights beyond top-secret the latest

708
00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:22,400
edition at noon for free for anyone

709
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:24,440
that's in the neighborhood so I invite

710
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,140
people to come there but at any rate as

711
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:29,840
I said I knew no one who was involved

712
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:31,790
with this topic and it was getting

713
00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:34,460
ridiculous running outside every I just

714
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:37,220
felt compelled to get these phenomenon

715
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:40,070
these strange mysterious awesome

716
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:43,190
phenomena on photographs and video and

717
00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:45,830
finally this is enough I mean I've got

718
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,680
to find somebody to ask what's going on

719
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,720
and this is how close I was guys a

720
00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:53,600
friend of a friend had a neighbor who

721
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:56,420
had a friend who knew the past president

722
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:59,240
of MUFON mutual UFO network so I called

723
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:01,730
him up and I said look I have a picture

724
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:03,770
from 95 that I know is authentic but I

725
00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:04,760
certainly would like someone who

726
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:06,680
cleanest to take a look at it and tell

727
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:09,080
me what it is and I've been seeing these

728
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:11,210
orbs in different formations that are

729
00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:14,210
really really strange and he hadn't

730
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:15,980
heard about it but there were other

731
00:34:23,889 --> 00:34:19,490
people that did get these lights on

732
00:34:27,250 --> 00:34:23,899
video in fact there was one Steve Lander

733
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:27,260
who called MUFON up to his balcony on

734
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:31,730
March 13 1997 they were standing up

735
00:34:36,580 --> 00:34:34,370
there suddenly there's giant formation

736
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:36,590
of five lights and and I always say the

737
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:38,390
data speaks for itself all you have to

738
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:41,810
do is look at the video again it doesn't

739
00:34:45,730 --> 00:34:43,640
do it justice are much smaller they're

740
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:45,740
white they flicker but the formation

741
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:46,399
itself

742
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:47,540
these lights are

743
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:50,570
rock solid in a v-formation like a an

744
00:34:55,630 --> 00:34:53,240
arrowhead formation and they caught it

745
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:55,640
on video on march 13th well when March

746
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:57,800
13th getting back to it to March 13th

747
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:00,650
because what what this guy did was say

748
00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:03,920
you know what next week you know I'm

749
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:05,600
gonna set up an appointment with you and

750
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:07,490
a field investigator which we had for

751
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:10,610
Wednesday the following week the guy

752
00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:13,460
calls me up on Tuesday to say the then

753
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:15,260
state director wanted to be at that

754
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:17,000
meeting but his mom had passed on

755
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,380
Saturday and a funeral is Wednesday

756
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:21,200
morning could we meet another day and

757
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:23,540
the only window of opportunity talk

758
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:26,930
about serendipity the only window of

759
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:28,790
opportunity I had for another 2-3 weeks

760
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:32,270
was Friday morning at 10:00 a.m. he said

761
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:36,860
fine I knock on his door and by the way

762
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:40,040
the night before I saw the same exact

763
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:42,710
phenomena in the same exact location

764
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:47,270
again and I caught it on video which I

765
00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:48,320
was thrilled because I had the

766
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:49,460
appointment with the guy the next

767
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:50,930
morning and called the air traffic

768
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:53,030
controllers see if they saw it they saw

769
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:55,610
the same exact thing in the same exact

770
00:35:59,980 --> 00:35:57,560
location about a thousand feet altitude

771
00:36:01,720 --> 00:35:59,990
over Class B restricted airspace and

772
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:01,730
also told me about this Private Pilot

773
00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:04,430
that called into the tower which was

774
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:08,120
Kurt Russell and he said to me as he

775
00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:09,830
opens the door do you see the man cited

776
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:12,020
last night and I said well I caught

777
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:13,790
video or something similar last night -

778
00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:16,190
I that I told you about you know that I

779
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:17,840
saw the same thing in the same location

780
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:19,310
two months ago and I told in my

781
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:20,660
conversation with the air traffic

782
00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:21,890
controllers no no no you don't

783
00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:24,200
understand hundreds if not thousands of

784
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:26,840
people so these mild to larger and we

785
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,240
just found out we had a whole big

786
00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:31,040
weekend because of the 20th anniversary

787
00:36:35,710 --> 00:36:33,020
of the Phoenix lights in Oregon

788
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:35,720
McMinnville last year and I found out

789
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:37,340
for the first time after all these years

790
00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:40,490
Peter Davenport the head of the UFO

791
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:42,260
Reporting Center national UFO Reporting

792
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:45,590
Center in Seattle Washington shared at

793
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:47,960
one of these crafts and I'll get to that

794
00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:50,750
it was more than one with eight miles

795
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:53,360
wide eight miles wide

796
00:36:59,080 --> 00:36:56,180
that is mind-boggling but anyway this

797
00:37:01,319 --> 00:36:59,090
guy says to me hundreds if not thousands

798
00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:01,329
of people saw these mile wide at large

799
00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:04,150
deformations of lights and some crafts

800
00:37:08,249 --> 00:37:07,630
and NBC was coming to interview him in a

801
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,259
half an hour

802
00:37:13,259 --> 00:37:11,200
I said whoa I said I used to do health

803
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:13,269
reporting for NBC here in the early 80s

804
00:37:17,219 --> 00:37:15,729
and we're talking about 1997 now but I

805
00:37:19,739 --> 00:37:17,229
said they might recognize me and I don't

806
00:37:22,289 --> 00:37:19,749
know you know what we're dealing with if

807
00:37:24,359 --> 00:37:22,299
it's a hoax or its military or whatever

808
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:24,369
but it doesn't matter it's not about me

809
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:26,049
and I have to tell you guys it's never

810
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:28,690
been about me it's about the data and I

811
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:31,660
said take a copy of the video share with

812
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:33,729
whoever you like I'm out of here

813
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:38,380
I left well afternoon very next day

814
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:41,380
after the mass sighting I'm sitting in

815
00:37:48,989 --> 00:37:45,190
front of my DVR ready to go every news

816
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:48,999
station that was the giant big news of

817
00:37:54,509 --> 00:37:51,640
the day was showing my video it was so

818
00:37:56,339 --> 00:37:54,519
bizarre it was exciting because people

819
00:38:00,019 --> 00:37:56,349
were seeing what we saw in my video is

820
00:38:04,979 --> 00:38:00,029
of the three end points of a giant V or

821
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:04,989
triangle object o Class B restricted

822
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:08,380
airspace and by nine o'clock news a

823
00:38:13,890 --> 00:38:11,170
couple other videos came out C blunders

824
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:13,900
with the MUFON arrowhead video came out

825
00:38:20,489 --> 00:38:17,920
and a boomerang shaped giant now it's

826
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:20,499
important to note here that my video and

827
00:38:27,089 --> 00:38:23,410
Steve's video were captured before 10

828
00:38:28,499 --> 00:38:27,099
o'clock the air were to boomerang videos

829
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:28,509
and I have to say one of them is a

830
00:38:32,699 --> 00:38:30,430
little haphazard so I've never used that

831
00:38:34,499 --> 00:38:32,709
in anything but if you look at the

832
00:38:38,309 --> 00:38:34,509
Kristin boomerang which has gotten the

833
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,319
most publicity and also has been tried

834
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:40,420
to be discredited as flares which we'll

835
00:38:47,789 --> 00:38:44,440
get to it's so impressive it was like oh

836
00:38:50,789 --> 00:38:47,799
my gosh now thousands of people saw it I

837
00:38:52,709 --> 00:38:50,799
had been seeing it was mind-boggling I

838
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:52,719
mean it was exciting and mind-boggling

839
00:38:59,579 --> 00:38:56,170
and just I mean it was just an awesome

840
00:39:02,279 --> 00:38:59,589
awesome situation we're starting the

841
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:02,289
very next day not only did I start

842
00:39:07,019 --> 00:39:05,140
keeping track of every report and every

843
00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:07,029
day there was reports showing my video

844
00:39:11,819 --> 00:39:09,880
by the way for weeks on the news they

845
00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:11,829
really covered it amazingly well on

846
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:15,380
there a model for what should happen

847
00:39:20,350 --> 00:39:18,260
I started keeping a journal a very

848
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:20,360
intricate journal I actually pushed

849
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,390
aside my entire professional medical

850
00:39:28,170 --> 00:39:26,240
career to try to find a logical source

851
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:28,180
of meaning for what I had witnessed and

852
00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:30,410
photographed which I have yet to find by

853
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,040
the way but every single day I kept a

854
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,520
journal of everything of witness reports

855
00:39:42,610 --> 00:39:40,640
of media reports of anything I could get

856
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:42,620
my hands on and also started studying

857
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:44,450
the topic I wanted to find out what the

858
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:47,090
heck was going on and boy did that open

859
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:49,070
up a whole new world to me I had no idea

860
00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:52,250
in fact a week later after the mass

861
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:54,500
sighting I see my video on TV news again

862
00:40:02,350 --> 00:39:58,240
but there they're interviewing a fella

863
00:40:04,930 --> 00:40:02,360
who is showing from his vast database

864
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:04,940
because he happened to have a computer

865
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:09,410
lab here in Tempe were ASU Arizona State

866
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:12,500
University is and on the side for like

867
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:15,530
20 30 years he was analyzing for the

868
00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:19,250
government and others pictures and video

869
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:22,820
from other countries of the same exact

870
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:24,500
phenomena that was the first I heard of

871
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:25,910
it a week after the mass sighting that

872
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:28,880
these same phenomenon were occurring in

873
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:31,430
other countries in the 90s we're talking

874
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,090
about the UK and Belgium Belgium

875
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:36,560
actually is a model for what should

876
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,180
happen they came to the United States

877
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:40,880
and asked are we doing this and the

878
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:42,530
United States flatly denied that they

879
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:45,050
were and they joined forces with

880
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:47,570
civilians and scientists and

881
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:50,420
universities and the military to try to

882
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,040
get to the bottom of it that's what

883
00:40:57,130 --> 00:40:55,040
should happen and I mean it was just

884
00:40:58,570 --> 00:40:57,140
mind-boggling to me here I'm finding out

885
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,580
that this is happening worldwide and

886
00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:01,040
actually found out that a month before

887
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:05,080
our mass sighting on March 13th 1997

888
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:08,330
there was another mass sighting but in

889
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:11,810
st. Petersburg Russia and not only did

890
00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:13,730
air traffic controllers also see these

891
00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:15,980
phenomena and reported it over there

892
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:19,700
formats but there were people that got

893
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:24,290
video of the same exact different craft

894
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,770
that I will share with you now because

895
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:28,859
what the general public

896
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,230
aim to learn from the media which is

897
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:34,640
very distorted and and has it's me it's

898
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:37,230
misinformation and one of the reasons I

899
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:38,609
finally decided to come forward after

900
00:41:43,339 --> 00:41:41,249
seven years of anonymity was that there

901
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:43,349
wasn't just one or two events on March

902
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:46,140
13th 1997 not only were these phenomena

903
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:49,410
appearing for weeks before but on March

904
00:41:56,269 --> 00:41:53,910
13th there were thousands of people that

905
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:56,279
saw these my account and now we learn

906
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:58,619
eight-mile-wide craft and there were ten

907
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:00,930
different crafts and if you go to the

908
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:04,200
Gap page g80 do you spatial animation

909
00:42:11,059 --> 00:42:06,210
project and look on the on the left side

910
00:42:13,819 --> 00:42:11,069
of the homepage and you'll see doc I've

911
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:13,829
got that I've got that video saved and

912
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:16,200
what I'd like to do is run it when we

913
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:23,670
wrap up okay twelve year compilation

914
00:42:26,749 --> 00:42:25,470
from the national UFO Reporting Center

915
00:42:29,749 --> 00:42:26,759
in Seattle Washington

916
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,759
Arizona MUFON Village labs as well as

917
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,680
Frances Barwood who will get to

918
00:42:35,749 --> 00:42:33,900
Councilwoman Frances Barwood who was the

919
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:35,759
only elected official that innocently

920
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:38,220
asked for an investigation in May like

921
00:42:41,749 --> 00:42:39,960
months later because so many of her

922
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,759
constituents were asking her why isn't

923
00:42:45,049 --> 00:42:43,200
there an investigation we'll talk about

924
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:45,059
that but I wanted to get to some of the

925
00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:47,700
some of the incredible technology of

926
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:51,749
March 13th phenomena but anyway after

927
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:54,569
that after 12 years and two or more

928
00:42:59,989 --> 00:42:57,180
people had to see the same craft it was

929
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,999
concluded that whether it was one craft

930
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,619
that could morph into looking

931
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:03,960
differently whether it was perspective

932
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,640
from where the person was standing or an

933
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:07,619
actual parade and that's what I wanted

934
00:43:13,579 --> 00:43:10,970
to get to because on March 13th

935
00:43:15,859 --> 00:43:13,589
starting at 3:00 p.m. was the first

936
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:15,869
daylight sighting in Arizona that was

937
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:18,630
reported five o'clock hour in New Mexico

938
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:21,599
by Native Americans 7 o'clock hour in

939
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:24,450
California in fact at 8:30 that night

940
00:43:30,019 --> 00:43:26,130
which was reporting we have some of that

941
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:30,029
video the report that we recorded report

942
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:32,579
from an alleged crewman from Luke Air

943
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,200
Force Base called a national UFO

944
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:36,599
Reporting Center at 3 a.m. the next

945
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:39,480
morning to report in very great detail

946
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,830
that one of

947
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:42,960
yoi craft was hovering right over

948
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:46,440
central Phenix at 8:30 and military jets

949
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:49,050
were sent out to intercept it get gun

950
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:50,490
camera film which we heard that they did

951
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:53,670
and as they approached the lights dimmed

952
00:43:58,820 --> 00:43:56,280
and then the entire thing blinked out

953
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,830
and disappeared and which freaked out

954
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:01,020
one of the pilots he said that he helped

955
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:02,700
one of them out of their aircraft and by

956
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:04,050
the way there were civilians that saw

957
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:08,130
this going on and once the military left

958
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:10,770
the Jets left not only did Luke go on a

959
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,940
lockdown but the phenomena appeared

960
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,000
again and then continued and this is

961
00:44:24,140 --> 00:44:20,760
what was so eerie to everybody is that

962
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:24,150
not only was it very low like rooftop

963
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:25,740
level these phenomena whether it was

964
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:27,330
just lights that seemed to be attached

965
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:29,460
to something in an equidistant array or

966
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:31,710
actual craft and people did see gunmetal

967
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:33,600
we have a pilot in the documentary that

968
00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:35,640
looked right into one of what he called

969
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,790
a canister a well of spinning energy it

970
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,560
did not reflect out it was all

971
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:42,720
self-contained and other people saw

972
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:44,490
these orbs detach from the main object

973
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:46,200
or adding to the environment and then

974
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:48,030
redock with it later some people saw the

975
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:50,910
wings actually fold in and then take off

976
00:44:55,850 --> 00:44:53,490
at blink speed without even dispersing

977
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,860
the air they were totally silent that

978
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,020
was eerie to everybody is it this

979
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:00,480
gigantic massive thing whatever it was

980
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:04,010
was so low and you couldn't hear a sound

981
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:07,410
and there people would see it not only

982
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,970
take off at blink speed but as I

983
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,520
mentioned disappear as the military said

984
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:13,380
and we have one of the crafts loop it

985
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:15,870
into and then bow shot up we're talking

986
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:18,930
about incredible technology that we have

987
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:22,980
never seen in 21 years anyway sightings

988
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,710
continued 11 o'clock hour and I have

989
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:27,540
that report in the book which is really

990
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:30,450
interesting there were two commercial

991
00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:33,810
airline pilots that saw the same thing

992
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:36,630
these this mile wide or whatever a

993
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:39,510
larger craft covered Las Vegas and they

994
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,660
tried reporting it and with their their

995
00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:44,640
story and itself was really really

996
00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:46,980
interesting and then the sightings

997
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,800
continued now of course a bulk and this

998
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:51,960
is what the media picked up doing the

999
00:45:54,769 --> 00:45:53,730
bulk of reports came in from other

1000
00:45:57,259 --> 00:45:54,779
reports came in

1001
00:46:00,049 --> 00:45:57,269
during that time but the phenomena

1002
00:46:01,849 --> 00:46:00,059
continued all the way till 5:30 the next

1003
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:01,859
morning the last report I have

1004
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:06,089
personally was contacted by a Boeing

1005
00:46:10,219 --> 00:46:07,859
crewman who was coming in to work with

1006
00:46:12,049 --> 00:46:10,229
his crew and so one of these crafts

1007
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:12,059
hovering over the tarmac

1008
00:46:17,779 --> 00:46:14,369
so we're talking not one or two events

1009
00:46:20,959 --> 00:46:17,789
not one or two hours but many hours and

1010
00:46:22,609 --> 00:46:20,969
over a dozen hours and many many events

1011
00:46:25,489 --> 00:46:22,619
happening at the same time and that's

1012
00:46:27,919 --> 00:46:25,499
what the investigators did this 12-year

1013
00:46:30,979 --> 00:46:27,929
study concluded that there was a parade

1014
00:46:33,439 --> 00:46:30,989
happening throughout Arizona and I have

1015
00:46:35,659 --> 00:46:33,449
to also mention really important we'll

1016
00:46:37,219 --> 00:46:35,669
get to the consciousness and how it

1017
00:46:41,169 --> 00:46:37,229
affected people in real-time in

1018
00:46:43,249 --> 00:46:41,179
long-term after I give a little

1019
00:46:44,989 --> 00:46:43,259
unfolding of what happened after this

1020
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:44,999
but it's really important to note that

1021
00:46:51,699 --> 00:46:48,689
in 21 years over 21 years now there has

1022
00:46:53,899 --> 00:46:51,709
not been one credible report of harm

1023
00:46:55,549 --> 00:46:53,909
threat or abduction

1024
00:46:57,469 --> 00:46:55,559
associated with the Phoenix lights

1025
00:46:59,929 --> 00:46:57,479
phenomena can't speak for others in

1026
00:47:02,959 --> 00:46:59,939
frescoes in the 15th and 16th century

1027
00:47:06,769 --> 00:47:02,969
and of course during World War two we

1028
00:47:08,539 --> 00:47:06,779
heard actually a pilot who saw during

1029
00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:08,549
World War 2 they called them Foo

1030
00:47:15,049 --> 00:47:13,349
Fighters me his act orbs these rocks all

1031
00:47:17,149 --> 00:47:15,059
informations in twos and threes like my

1032
00:47:19,549 --> 00:47:17,159
husband saw outside our window in 95

1033
00:47:20,959 --> 00:47:19,559
we're flying around aircraft and each

1034
00:47:23,959 --> 00:47:20,969
sights what the other side had this

1035
00:47:25,399 --> 00:47:23,969
advanced technology but when they after

1036
00:47:29,269 --> 00:47:25,409
the war when they tried to find out who

1037
00:47:35,299 --> 00:47:29,279
had it nobody did and to this day they

1038
00:47:38,539 --> 00:47:35,309
have never you know discovered I mean

1039
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:38,549
even in years before our mass sighting

1040
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:42,569
in 1896 that's what they reported sound

1041
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:44,609
familiar well this was six years before

1042
00:47:49,099 --> 00:47:46,650
the flight the Wright brothers took

1043
00:47:51,489 --> 00:47:49,109
flight and then we fast forward to the

1044
00:47:55,579 --> 00:47:51,499
Lubbock lights and is and of course the

1045
00:47:57,049 --> 00:47:55,589
the UK and Belgium sightings and and

1046
00:48:00,079 --> 00:47:57,059
Stephenville as you would mentioned

1047
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:00,089
earlier in 2008 very similar I mean this

1048
00:48:04,729 --> 00:48:02,609
has been going on for many many many

1049
00:48:08,059 --> 00:48:04,739
centuries and there's another little

1050
00:48:09,319 --> 00:48:08,069
aside if I can share on six months

1051
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:09,329
before

1052
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:14,049
this is really for the listeners to to

1053
00:48:18,089 --> 00:48:16,450
learn about because this was the first I

1054
00:48:20,339 --> 00:48:18,099
had learned about it and it's pretty

1055
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,349
entrust their at the time and there's a

1056
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:23,200
basic in between South Mountain which is

1057
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:24,970
just south of the airport and then a few

1058
00:48:30,750 --> 00:48:28,450
miles but is the Estrella Mountain Range

1059
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,760
and again there's a basin in between

1060
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:33,520
those two where the very sacred ground

1061
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:36,490
of the Gila Bend Indians and they

1062
00:48:41,579 --> 00:48:39,670
actually don't talk to outsiders I

1063
00:48:44,819 --> 00:48:41,589
present in my program and the Mount

1064
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:44,829
weather substance abuse problem so and I

1065
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:47,049
said is that funny and they said are you

1066
00:48:49,049 --> 00:48:47,619
kidding

1067
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,059
we've been looking up at these for

1068
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:52,500
centuries we call them sky people like

1069
00:48:58,500 --> 00:48:55,690
these phenomena the Hopi right here in

1070
00:49:01,740 --> 00:48:58,510
Arizona and others have protocols to

1071
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:01,750
invite them in and many of them many of

1072
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:03,430
the indigenous peoples feel that these

1073
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:07,690
words especially our spirit world coming

1074
00:49:12,809 --> 00:49:10,740
to give them guidance and comfort and

1075
00:49:17,789 --> 00:49:12,819
inspiration and I have to say I sort of

1076
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:17,799
like it it's fired by this but be that

1077
00:49:21,539 --> 00:49:18,490
as it may

1078
00:49:24,299 --> 00:49:21,549
that's an interesting aside because not

1079
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:24,309
only the native cultures welcome and and

1080
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:27,369
and feel that these phenomena are really

1081
00:49:30,839 --> 00:49:29,500
important and we're connected to these

1082
00:49:34,380 --> 00:49:30,849
phenomena which I'll get into a little

1083
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:34,390
later but but that's just an interesting

1084
00:49:38,970 --> 00:49:37,240
aside that happened to happen because of

1085
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:38,980
my meeting six months before the mass

1086
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:41,460
sighting anyway after the mass sighting

1087
00:49:49,019 --> 00:49:45,460
story unfolding is intriguing in and of

1088
00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:49,029
itself because here are thousand we're

1089
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:50,920
talking over 10,000 people that I hosted

1090
00:49:54,269 --> 00:49:52,420
this guy's Dale Harkin k theaters has

1091
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:54,279
been sold out ever since our document

1092
00:50:02,250 --> 00:49:58,690
since 1997 and yet this is just Lawson

1093
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:02,260
Lee asked for an investigation as a

1094
00:50:09,089 --> 00:50:06,390
public service public safety issue was

1095
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,099
Councilwoman Frances Barwood and she was

1096
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:11,680
nailed to the wall by the print media

1097
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:15,640
there was much harassment and ridicule

1098
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:18,220
and criticism and discrediting going on

1099
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:20,710
I was very happy to stay anonymous and

1100
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,850
do my homework

1101
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:24,160
seven years because it wasn't pretty not

1102
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:26,350
happening in all this was the the famous

1103
00:50:32,490 --> 00:50:30,720
Fife Symington that Prescott oh yeah

1104
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:32,500
interesting I'm glad you brought that up

1105
00:50:42,690 --> 00:50:38,020
because there was nothing until June

1106
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:42,700
18th 1997 front page USA Today article

1107
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:47,230
with a picture that simply drawn of what

1108
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:50,890
he saw that night of the v-shape with

1109
00:50:59,100 --> 00:50:54,070
five lights opened our sighting for the

1110
00:51:02,040 --> 00:50:59,110
first time outside of Arizona worldwide

1111
00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:02,050
we were deluge overnight we didn't have

1112
00:51:07,050 --> 00:51:03,790
social media at that time and it went

1113
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:07,060
viral overnight by the next morning I

1114
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,250
mean if people were traveling all over

1115
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:11,200
the world to come to talk to the

1116
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:14,080
witnesses and their their reports were

1117
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:16,930
so detailed and so heartfelt they too

1118
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:18,310
were saying why isn't there an

1119
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:20,170
investigation why isn't there an

1120
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:23,140
explanation very interestingly for the

1121
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:25,450
first time we get this announcement in

1122
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:28,210
the morning the very next morning on

1123
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,200
June 19th that then Governor Fife

1124
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:34,240
Symington was calling a press conference

1125
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:36,370
an unscheduled press conference for that

1126
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:39,700
afternoon the next day to divulge and

1127
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:42,310
this was after the USA Today article to

1128
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:44,920
divulge the culprit of the lights over

1129
00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:47,290
Phoenix which I was thrilled I mean I

1130
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:50,550
wonder what the heck was going on here

1131
00:51:56,670 --> 00:51:53,980
really seriously and he comes marching

1132
00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:56,680
out one of his aides in a giant alien

1133
00:52:01,800 --> 00:51:59,530
head costume and made a mockery of the

1134
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:01,810
whole thing which was I have to tell you

1135
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:03,340
it really really disconcerting

1136
00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:06,850
especially for the witnesses especially

1137
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,400
those parents that were with children

1138
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:11,440
and had this thing that was as big as

1139
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:13,990
two giant walls go right over their head

1140
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:17,080
and he's making a joke out of it well it

1141
00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:18,940
did put a lid on it but I have to tell

1142
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:19,870
you that didn't stop me from

1143
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:21,850
investigating because I had the

1144
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:23,260
conversations in my book

1145
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:26,650
they were very comical when I started

1146
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:29,650
calling and I tried to get as high up as

1147
00:52:35,579 --> 00:52:32,410
I could of military in the bases around

1148
00:52:37,319 --> 00:52:35,589
Arizona Luke Air Force Base David Monson

1149
00:52:39,959 --> 00:52:37,329
and so forth and the Air National Guard

1150
00:52:42,989 --> 00:52:39,969
and their conversations were very

1151
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:42,999
interesting in that months period after

1152
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:45,369
the USA Today article they were just as

1153
00:52:51,029 --> 00:52:48,130
curious as we were what was going on in

1154
00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:51,039
fact one of the higher-ups that I talked

1155
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:53,349
to say the only one who knows who did

1156
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,170
this was God and whoever did this I mean

1157
00:53:04,140 --> 00:52:59,200
that was his answer okay interestingly I

1158
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,150
get a call on July 24th from one of the

1159
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:05,920
heads of PR at the Air National Guard

1160
00:53:09,089 --> 00:53:07,630
and she's Oh dr. Lynn I think we know

1161
00:53:09,989 --> 00:53:09,099
what those Lloyd's were back in March

1162
00:53:12,029 --> 00:53:09,999
and I said that's great

1163
00:53:15,209 --> 00:53:12,039
but were they she says do you believe

1164
00:53:16,979 --> 00:53:15,219
that nobody ever looked at the log for

1165
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:16,989
visiting Air National Guard and the

1166
00:53:21,809 --> 00:53:18,910
Maryland Air National Guard was in town

1167
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,819
sending off flares military illumination

1168
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:24,640
flares in operation Snowbird which she

1169
00:53:28,799 --> 00:53:26,710
later found out by the way in military

1170
00:53:31,259 --> 00:53:28,809
terms means diversionary tactical

1171
00:53:33,569 --> 00:53:31,269
maneuvers so I have no doubt and they

1172
00:53:35,249 --> 00:53:33,579
knew I mean if you know they sent checks

1173
00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:35,259
out from Luke Air Force Base to try to

1174
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:36,849
intercept this thing at 8:30 so they

1175
00:53:43,019 --> 00:53:40,630
knew what was going on right that flares

1176
00:53:44,309 --> 00:53:43,029
may have been deployed since I've heard

1177
00:53:46,469 --> 00:53:44,319
attention away from the true unknowns

1178
00:53:51,059 --> 00:53:46,479
but that's not what over 10,000 people

1179
00:53:53,339 --> 00:53:51,069
saw part of what they do they they get

1180
00:53:56,459 --> 00:53:53,349
their own gear up in the air and that's

1181
00:53:58,259 --> 00:53:56,469
part of the protocol there you go there

1182
00:54:01,049 --> 00:53:58,269
you go but anyway she says that must be

1183
00:54:03,059 --> 00:54:01,059
what some people saw that's exactly what

1184
00:54:05,130 --> 00:54:03,069
she said and I said well wait a minute I

1185
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:05,140
said when was the Maryland Air National

1186
00:54:09,930 --> 00:54:07,960
Guard in town she says March 1st to the

1187
00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:09,940
15th I said were they in town in January

1188
00:54:16,109 --> 00:54:12,759
she said no no I said are you sure she

1189
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:16,119
said absolutely not I said well I happen

1190
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,160
to have thirty five-millimeter

1191
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:19,839
photographs of the same exact phenomena

1192
00:54:26,819 --> 00:54:23,200
in the same exact location in January as

1193
00:54:28,589 --> 00:54:26,829
March 13 confirmed those in January and

1194
00:54:30,479 --> 00:54:28,599
the morning after the mass sighting by

1195
00:54:32,579 --> 00:54:30,489
air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor

1196
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:32,589
International Airport as hovering over

1197
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:35,890
Class B restricted a Class B restricted

1198
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:39,190
space thousand feet altitude and she

1199
00:54:43,259 --> 00:54:42,249
says you never told me that and then I

1200
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:43,269
said well wait a minute and you're

1201
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:45,460
trying to tell me and I educated myself

1202
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:47,910
to military flares anything logical but

1203
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:49,460
you're trying

1204
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:51,830
you got Kurt Russell on this one well

1205
00:54:58,270 --> 00:54:55,970
yeah you're trying to tell me that

1206
00:55:00,070 --> 00:54:58,280
military illumination flares it cannot

1207
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:00,080
keep information they drift and drop

1208
00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:01,490
with the wind they're on parachutes

1209
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:04,190
they're they they have huge smoke trails

1210
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:06,560
that are illuminated by the flare itself

1211
00:55:14,620 --> 00:55:11,180
which not one not one person witness to

1212
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:14,630
the true unknowns divulged or reported

1213
00:55:19,859 --> 00:55:17,300
and you're trying to tell me that these

1214
00:55:22,089 --> 00:55:19,869
lights in rock solid formation

1215
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:22,099
equidistant from each other over a mile

1216
00:55:28,089 --> 00:55:25,310
wide traverse the entire state for hours

1217
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:28,099
and she says I have a call coming and

1218
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:35,320
at any rate at that point it was really

1219
00:55:39,730 --> 00:55:37,010
disconcerting in fact right after her

1220
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:39,740
call I called my sister-in-law and in

1221
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:42,140
Delaware to wish her a happy birthday

1222
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:44,810
her birthday is July 24th the first

1223
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:47,210
thing she says to me and it hasn't even

1224
00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:49,369
been announced here yet the first thing

1225
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:52,190
she says to me is oh I just saw in the

1226
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:55,070
news that they discovered what the

1227
00:55:59,560 --> 00:55:57,890
lights were back and back in March they

1228
00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:59,570
were military illumination flare she

1229
00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:01,940
they were showing this back east before

1230
00:56:06,670 --> 00:56:04,339
it was even announced here which was the

1231
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:06,680
next morning the headlines were the

1232
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,560
Phoenix lights were flares okay and that

1233
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:11,839
has been the only explanation that ever

1234
00:56:19,450 --> 00:56:15,650
came forth and I had to wonder the years

1235
00:56:22,089 --> 00:56:19,460
why you know when people ask me all the

1236
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:22,099
time and first of all it's a logical

1237
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:23,990
explanation that those that can't deal

1238
00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:25,609
with this topic and I have to say I'm

1239
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:27,380
not here to convince anyone of anything

1240
00:56:32,349 --> 00:56:30,170
I'm just sharing the data people who

1241
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:32,359
decide for themselves it is what it is

1242
00:56:35,710 --> 00:56:34,130
and some people can't deal with this

1243
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:35,720
some people don't want to and that's

1244
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:36,950
okay that's okay

1245
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,740
everyone in their own time but now at

1246
00:56:43,450 --> 00:56:41,839
least there's data that people can look

1247
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,460
at and that's what I felt was important

1248
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:45,680
because again I wish my whole medical

1249
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:47,420
career aside for seven years I've

1250
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,560
actually pushed to the side now for

1251
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:51,200
twenty-one but at the time seven years

1252
00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:54,830
to find out what was going on and here

1253
00:56:59,020 --> 00:56:57,500
you know they're they're telling telling

1254
00:57:01,300 --> 00:56:59,030
us that it was flares I realized that

1255
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:01,310
they could blow off and and and

1256
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:02,930
discredit

1257
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:05,720
people's reports which by the way the

1258
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:09,740
only report and Councilwoman Barwood

1259
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,930
says it's in the film the owner II

1260
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:14,240
report out of over a thousand that she

1261
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:16,730
received was from a teenager and I have

1262
00:57:21,250 --> 00:57:19,130
all the respect for teenagers my work

1263
00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:21,260
with them and my specialty is adolescent

1264
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:24,020
medicine but this teenager reported that

1265
00:57:28,690 --> 00:57:25,940
he looks through his telescope and saw

1266
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:28,700
planes okay and that's what the media

1267
00:57:34,210 --> 00:57:32,030
reported that was plane which was

1268
00:57:36,010 --> 00:57:34,220
ridiculous but be that as it may and now

1269
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:36,020
they're saying that it was flares well

1270
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:39,770
the point is the only hard evidence that

1271
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:42,530
they had to debunk because the the

1272
00:57:48,339 --> 00:57:45,650
videos if you really look at them okay

1273
00:57:50,260 --> 00:57:48,349
and again it's very easy to mistake them

1274
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,270
for flares because they're there the

1275
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,680
lights are much smaller they're white

1276
00:57:57,339 --> 00:57:54,079
they flicker but the formations

1277
00:57:59,079 --> 00:57:57,349
themselves are so compelling I'm sorry

1278
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,089
those lights are either attached to

1279
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:02,000
something or you know I mean part of a

1280
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:03,890
craft or have a force field in between

1281
00:58:09,789 --> 00:58:07,970
but they had to debunk the the videos

1282
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:09,799
there's only a handful of videos I have

1283
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:11,329
to remember people ask me this all the

1284
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:13,010
time as well why weren't there more

1285
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,290
pictures well first of all cellphones

1286
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:17,359
were real clunky at the time they just

1287
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:20,270
come out and they did not have cameras

1288
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:24,650
in them so who can I mean the four of us

1289
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:26,990
that did take a video from from

1290
00:58:32,260 --> 00:58:29,839
different locations the Christian my

1291
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:32,270
Kristin happened to be filming cleaning

1292
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:34,010
his camera when it was happening

1293
00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:36,500
Steve blonder was up on his balcony was

1294
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:38,660
mufon when it happened I had my camera

1295
00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:41,780
in the corner of our bedroom because of

1296
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:43,700
all the sayings I was seeing so we

1297
00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:45,410
happen to have our timers so there is a

1298
00:58:50,109 --> 00:58:47,299
handful of videos but that's the only

1299
00:58:51,490 --> 00:58:50,119
thing that they had to debunk so whoever

1300
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:51,500
came up with the flare thing was

1301
00:58:57,970 --> 00:58:54,650
brilliant I had to because they could

1302
00:59:01,599 --> 00:58:57,980
easily the video but the 35-millimeter

1303
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:01,609
could not okay as the story unfolds now

1304
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:03,170
when they came out with the flare theory

1305
00:59:08,349 --> 00:59:06,770
that really you know put a put a I mean

1306
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:08,359
a blanket over the whole thing and many

1307
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:10,430
people fed into that because it seems so

1308
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:14,390
logical okay well interestingly three

1309
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:17,030
years after the mass say

1310
00:59:22,030 --> 00:59:19,890
Councilwoman Frances Barwood was then

1311
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:22,040
running for secretary of state of

1312
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:26,190
Arizona on a platform to get answers for

1313
00:59:29,660 --> 00:59:27,900
the Phoenix lights she had so many of

1314
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,670
her constituents that were so angry that

1315
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,680
they came out with this Slayer thing and

1316
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,780
we're blowing it off and she also was

1317
00:59:39,050 --> 00:59:36,000
asking for a reenactment which was a

1318
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:39,060
logical thing and and again I'm open to

1319
00:59:45,110 --> 00:59:41,610
it show me ok show me I'm open to a

1320
00:59:47,810 --> 00:59:45,120
logical explanation well if you go on a

1321
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:47,820
new page on the Phoenix lights Network

1322
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:50,220
website and go about the middle of the

1323
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:52,590
page and there's a block it says AZ

1324
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:56,610
family which is calm which is a CNN

1325
01:00:03,320 --> 00:59:59,610
affiliate actually took video that night

1326
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,330
of their attempted flare drop because we

1327
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,000
got an announcement on March 7 that they

1328
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:07,680
were gonna be sending off there's three

1329
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:09,300
air national guard's I believe it was

1330
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:12,180
New York Michigan in California to show

1331
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:15,570
everyone the Phoenix like okay show us

1332
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:18,690
well it was talk about a joke it was so

1333
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:22,470
lame and they tried to make a triangle

1334
01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:24,770
it was upside down

1335
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:28,380
immediately had you smoked ribs just

1336
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:31,230
what flares do talk about putting a nail

1337
01:00:36,050 --> 01:00:33,450
in the coffin for that explanation

1338
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,060
because any of the witnesses that saw

1339
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:38,640
the real deal knew immediately that that

1340
01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:40,950
was not the Phoenix voice and they have

1341
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:44,280
to this day have never been re-enacted

1342
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:47,610
or explained and by the way just a

1343
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:48,930
couple years ago and that's another

1344
01:00:54,350 --> 01:00:51,660
video we have on a news page a fella who

1345
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:54,360
has state of the art technology took the

1346
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:56,250
boomerang video which is the only one my

1347
01:00:59,810 --> 01:00:58,530
video has actually been confirmed as a

1348
01:01:02,690 --> 01:00:59,820
true unknown by the air traffic

1349
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:02,700
controllers by dr. Bruce Maccabee and

1350
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,830
others University University of Arizona

1351
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:07,140
Brooks Institute of photography because

1352
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:10,470
it was over Phoenix I mean it is what it

1353
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:12,510
is but the boomerang which happened

1354
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:15,000
after 10 o'clock has really come under

1355
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,890
fire ever since they came out with the

1356
01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:18,720
flare thing for being flares well this

1357
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:21,240
guy took the boomerang video and put it

1358
01:01:27,140 --> 01:01:24,180
in a stabilization video and slowed you

1359
01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:27,150
know slow-mo and shows unequivocably not

1360
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:29,790
only does these lights not

1361
01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:32,370
change formation for a couple in a few

1362
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:34,680
minutes but one of them actually one of

1363
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:36,360
these late separates and actually

1364
01:01:41,870 --> 01:01:39,450
elevates and breaks into I mean flares

1365
01:01:44,570 --> 01:01:41,880
don't do that okay so we've pretty much

1366
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:44,580
put the flare theory to rest so and by

1367
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:47,880
the way the craft that people saw the 10

1368
01:01:53,330 --> 01:01:50,280
different crafts that people saw was

1369
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,340
never the craft was never addressed by

1370
01:01:58,780 --> 01:01:55,680
the military or the government to this

1371
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:58,790
day and as you mentioned getting back to

1372
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:02,040
Governor vice Symington right after the

1373
01:02:06,830 --> 01:02:04,290
10th anniversary and I don't know what

1374
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:06,840
possessed him to do this after he had

1375
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:10,470
knocked the side and debunked it in 97

1376
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:13,650
he came forward to disclose that he

1377
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:16,410
actually saw he witnessed one of these

1378
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:19,830
craft and as an awarded military pilot

1379
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:22,530
he said that it was definitely not

1380
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:26,300
flares and but that it was other-worldly

1381
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:32,460
and hello yeah I'm still here I'm still

1382
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:40,920
here because he's read the book

1383
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:43,230
it's how the the Phoenix lights affected

1384
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,970
people in real time and long-term and

1385
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:47,040
and the connection I found between all

1386
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:49,890
all unexplained phenomena as I was doing

1387
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:52,290
my inquiry and keeping an intricate

1388
01:02:59,330 --> 01:02:55,980
journal every day and 50 page journal

1389
01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:59,340
that I ultimately condensed for 250

1390
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:01,980
pages and it's now in its third print

1391
01:03:07,340 --> 01:03:03,630
and I keep adding the story keeps

1392
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:07,350
evolving as the years go on it was such

1393
01:03:11,330 --> 01:03:10,110
intriguing data and more credible people

1394
01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:11,340
and that was one of the reasons I came

1395
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:13,800
forward to say hey you know I don't know

1396
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:15,480
what these things are but I know that

1397
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:17,550
they are and that it's time we get this

1398
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:21,090
at me open address it accept it and

1399
01:03:25,460 --> 01:03:23,310
study it so we can find out not only

1400
01:03:28,370 --> 01:03:25,470
who's driving these things but certainly

1401
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:28,380
move forward in our own evolution and

1402
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:31,050
that's why I finally came forward and

1403
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:33,930
also as a physician to let people know

1404
01:03:39,350 --> 01:03:36,150
that they're not alone on the most

1405
01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:39,360
anomalies can be explained only a very

1406
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:41,550
small amount maybe 510 percent at most

1407
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:43,010
can not

1408
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:44,570
but just because we don't have the

1409
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:47,420
technology yet to the finically define

1410
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:49,370
what these things are it doesn't mean

1411
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:51,140
they're not real we may just be looking

1412
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:54,410
on an a.m. dial for an FM frequency so

1413
01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:56,210
it was important for me not only as a

1414
01:03:59,680 --> 01:03:58,130
scientist and as an experiencer and

1415
01:04:01,630 --> 01:03:59,690
certainly as an educator to get the

1416
01:04:03,850 --> 01:04:01,640
facts out and let people decide for

1417
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:03,860
themselves and learn what really

1418
01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:05,510
happened here but certainly as a

1419
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:08,060
physician and as an experiencer knowing

1420
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:10,190
how it affected me and and getting back

1421
01:04:15,220 --> 01:04:12,500
to how it affected other people what was

1422
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:15,230
really interesting and we have a section

1423
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:19,250
of the documentary if I can that talks

1424
01:04:24,970 --> 01:04:22,520
about how the media and Hollywood has

1425
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:24,980
portrayed these phenomena over and over

1426
01:04:31,870 --> 01:04:27,170
again in a fearful content in a

1427
01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:31,880
threatening content and and dr. Gary

1428
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:33,320
Schwartz who is the head of the

1429
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:34,730
consciousness study department at the

1430
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:36,740
University of Arizona and actually wrote

1431
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:40,160
the introduction to my book it says very

1432
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:42,890
pointedly in the documentary that you're

1433
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:45,290
so inundated with this retro threatened

1434
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:47,690
harm hornworm how do you think people

1435
01:04:54,310 --> 01:04:51,860
are going to react something massive and

1436
01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:54,320
strange as the Phoenix lights well what

1437
01:05:01,180 --> 01:04:57,260
was really interesting is that that did

1438
01:05:02,620 --> 01:05:01,190
not happen people were in awe in wonder

1439
01:05:05,170 --> 01:05:02,630
in fact six months before the mass

1440
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:05,180
sighting the movie Independence Day was

1441
01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:08,600
really popular yep bang children that's

1442
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:11,390
another interesting aside we're usually

1443
01:05:15,250 --> 01:05:13,370
the first ones to see this mile or

1444
01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:15,260
larger v-formation of lights coming

1445
01:05:19,420 --> 01:05:16,940
towards them and we're jumping up and

1446
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:19,430
down Independence Day Independence Day

1447
01:05:27,850 --> 01:05:25,190
but came over everyone adults and

1448
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:27,860
children alike a connectedness to the

1449
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:31,610
phenomena that once it passed the kids

1450
01:05:35,170 --> 01:05:32,990
wanted to run after it or have their

1451
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:35,180
their parents get in the car and chase

1452
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:38,720
it people were in awe and over again in

1453
01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:42,410
wonder in amazement and people some

1454
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:44,990
people felt blessed that they saw that

1455
01:05:49,690 --> 01:05:46,310
they had the opportunity in their

1456
01:05:53,530 --> 01:05:49,700
lifetime to see something so incredible

1457
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:53,540
and talk about long-term we have people

1458
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,490
that and I'm still hearing from people

1459
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:56,720
by the way and I'm here

1460
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,090
from a lot of retired military and

1461
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,280
pilots now who saw similar phenomena

1462
01:06:07,690 --> 01:06:04,160
where we're here at the time to confirm

1463
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:07,700
that this was not not anything earthly

1464
01:06:11,260 --> 01:06:09,890
that we know of and and we certainly

1465
01:06:12,220 --> 01:06:11,270
haven't seen any technology that comes

1466
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:12,230
close to this and with the

1467
01:06:15,580 --> 01:06:13,730
precariousness of what's happening in

1468
01:06:17,110 --> 01:06:15,590
the Middle East and around the world you

1469
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,120
would think that we would have seen some

1470
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:19,280
kind of inkling of this technology if we

1471
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:22,370
had it but be that as it may they change

1472
01:06:27,940 --> 01:06:24,890
their eating habit some of them went I

1473
01:06:29,050 --> 01:06:27,950
don't eat meat anymore other people went

1474
01:06:30,850 --> 01:06:29,060
into the peace movement the

1475
01:06:31,870 --> 01:06:30,860
environmental movement it just woke

1476
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:31,880
people up

1477
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:34,550
what would whoever did this not only

1478
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:37,460
wanted to let us know in a very very

1479
01:06:43,450 --> 01:06:40,490
gentle non-threatening way again no one

1480
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:43,460
was harmed threatened or abducted that

1481
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:45,890
they're here that they're real and it

1482
01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:48,830
also woke people up in a very very deep

1483
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:50,600
level and let me let me explain that a

1484
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,060
little bit which I do get into the book

1485
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,000
very simply a number of the witnesses

1486
01:07:01,840 --> 01:06:58,160
shared with me that they had had

1487
01:07:04,930 --> 01:07:01,850
near-death experiences as children that

1488
01:07:07,810 --> 01:07:04,940
was reawakened by the Phoenix lights

1489
01:07:11,710 --> 01:07:07,820
mass sighting which I found really

1490
01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:11,720
powerful and poignant because I did too

1491
01:07:15,490 --> 01:07:13,550
when I was eight years old and I won't

1492
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:15,500
get into it now I'm not gonna be a

1493
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:18,170
spoiler but I did have a very profound

1494
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:21,050
change of life experience when I was

1495
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:21,920
eight years old

1496
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:25,280
confirming that we are not alone okay be

1497
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:26,570
that as it may which may have been the

1498
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:27,830
foundation I've been asked many times

1499
01:07:32,830 --> 01:07:30,410
and I leave it open and healthy skeptic

1500
01:07:35,130 --> 01:07:32,840
in me but may have been the foundation

1501
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:35,140
for what happened when I saw the three

1502
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:37,790
orbs outside my bedroom window the eve

1503
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:40,070
of my birthday be that as it may I

1504
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:42,470
thought jeez could there possibly be a

1505
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:45,890
connection between all all unexplained

1506
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:48,490
phenomena be it near-death experience

1507
01:07:53,050 --> 01:07:50,810
out-of-body experience or unexplained

1508
01:07:55,660 --> 01:07:53,060
aerial phenomena that have a mystical

1509
01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:55,670
light associated with the experience and

1510
01:07:59,110 --> 01:07:57,950
lo and behold when I started looking and

1511
01:08:01,000 --> 01:07:59,120
that's what I urged people to do just

1512
01:08:03,850 --> 01:08:01,010
look if you really look for crap double

1513
01:08:06,670 --> 01:08:03,860
data it's there the Omega project which

1514
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:06,680
was like a four inch book at the dr.

1515
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:07,910
Kenneth ring at University of

1516
01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:10,490
Connecticut just that's what he did he

1517
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:13,190
compared these new experience that

1518
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:15,170
experience unexplained aerial phenomena

1519
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:17,810
and found not only a connection and dr.

1520
01:08:24,999 --> 01:08:21,850
John Mack surprise winning Harvard Fame

1521
01:08:27,459 --> 01:08:25,009
also came to the same conclusion not

1522
01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:27,469
only is the experience I lay out very

1523
01:08:32,260 --> 01:08:29,870
simply in the book whatever the

1524
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:32,270
unexplained phenomena experience is very

1525
01:08:39,789 --> 01:08:36,109
very similar and I began calling all

1526
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:39,799
unexplained phenomena and up because it

1527
01:08:44,349 --> 01:08:42,410
is about the positive awakening and this

1528
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:44,359
was really got me and I know personally

1529
01:08:49,809 --> 01:08:47,359
what happened to me I mean my life is a

1530
01:08:52,740 --> 01:08:49,819
picture of what happens if someone has

1531
01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:52,750
an unexplained phenomenon up experience

1532
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:56,900
just being aware that there is so much

1533
01:09:00,729 --> 01:08:58,730
more out there in the universe that

1534
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:00,739
we're not alone that we're connected

1535
01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:02,960
we're all connected to the earth to the

1536
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:04,759
universe to each other in such a

1537
01:09:08,979 --> 01:09:07,130
profound important way and that we're

1538
01:09:10,570 --> 01:09:08,989
spiritual beings and I don't I'm not

1539
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:10,580
getting into the will I'm talking about

1540
01:09:16,930 --> 01:09:13,850
the reality of how we as human beings

1541
01:09:20,170 --> 01:09:16,940
can make this world a better world and

1542
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:20,180
and and do good for this earth and for

1543
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:23,359
each other which I only wish would

1544
01:09:28,530 --> 01:09:26,420
happen at this time in our history but

1545
01:09:31,979 --> 01:09:28,540
the people that have had true-up

1546
01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:31,989
experiences or you don't have to have an

1547
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:34,670
experience to have this positive

1548
01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:37,580
transformation all you need to do is

1549
01:09:43,059 --> 01:09:40,339
learn about it have an open mind and an

1550
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:43,069
open heart and learn about it and you

1551
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:45,710
start to see if you really open your

1552
01:09:52,019 --> 01:09:48,950
eyes and your heart serendipities that

1553
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:52,029
start to happen that show you that that

1554
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,890
there is so much more out there and

1555
01:09:59,620 --> 01:09:57,040
whether it's frequencies vibrations

1556
01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:59,630
whatever there is so much more out there

1557
01:10:05,290 --> 01:10:02,270
in this wondrous universe and and let's

1558
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:05,300
be real okay not only do we know now

1559
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:07,430
from the Hubble and the Kepler telescope

1560
01:10:12,970 --> 01:10:11,120
and others that there are trillions of

1561
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:12,980
other galaxies out there that are older

1562
01:10:17,620 --> 01:10:15,350
than our Milky Way galaxy closed our

1563
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:17,630
solar system is a very young solar

1564
01:10:21,820 --> 01:10:19,310
system it's only forty six billion years

1565
01:10:24,340 --> 01:10:21,830
old there are scientists now postulating

1566
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:24,350
that there could be intelligence since

1567
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:27,710
and he's out there billions billions of

1568
01:10:34,270 --> 01:10:30,560
years ahead of us that is just such a

1569
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:34,280
mind-boggling thought the reason that I

1570
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:37,490
ultimately shared the missing time data

1571
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:40,730
is not only to show that our concept of

1572
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,330
time from my close encounter that they

1573
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:47,600
when it felt like Tom had stopped it not

1574
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,110
only it's time our concept of time

1575
01:10:56,140 --> 01:10:53,420
primitive past present and future but

1576
01:10:58,030 --> 01:10:56,150
they it's there are other times and

1577
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:58,040
spaces along with ours that now the

1578
01:11:01,810 --> 01:11:00,140
string theory and bubble theory are

1579
01:11:04,030 --> 01:11:01,820
populating there are 10 or 11 different

1580
01:11:07,210 --> 01:11:04,040
dimensions out there so if there's other

1581
01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:07,220
times and spaces along with ours why is

1582
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:09,680
it such a leap to think that there might

1583
01:11:14,410 --> 01:11:11,780
be other intelligences in those other

1584
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:14,420
times and spaces that we get glimpses of

1585
01:11:22,660 --> 01:11:19,130
if we're open to them or invited got it

1586
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:22,670
now I'm getting back to Simonson you did

1587
01:11:27,250 --> 01:11:25,670
have that change of heart have you met

1588
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:27,260
this guy have you ever talked to a

1589
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:30,770
little bit about what was with the the

1590
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:33,170
press conference the silliness there and

1591
01:11:39,460 --> 01:11:36,350
then his change of heart later on that's

1592
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:39,470
a really good question because I have

1593
01:11:44,980 --> 01:11:41,630
tried I have tried a number of times

1594
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:44,990
that's very I don't know I don't know

1595
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:47,510
why he is not we I have reached out to

1596
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:50,030
him numerous times I have gotten him the

1597
01:11:55,780 --> 01:11:52,010
book and the documentary and by the way

1598
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:55,790
once the book came out in 2004 I mean I

1599
01:11:59,380 --> 01:11:57,890
I had going back to work chief cleanup a

1600
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:59,390
consultant at the Arizona Heart

1601
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:01,580
Institute for a few years to help put

1602
01:12:06,940 --> 01:12:02,750
our younger son through Medical School

1603
01:12:10,090 --> 01:12:06,950
he's a neurologist now I I was just

1604
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:10,100
amazed and the the doctors and the

1605
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,680
nurses that would come up and and start

1606
01:12:17,260 --> 01:12:14,000
telling me their stories of their

1607
01:12:19,420 --> 01:12:17,270
unusual paranormal or UFO experiences

1608
01:12:21,130 --> 01:12:19,430
there's millions of people out there

1609
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:21,140
that have had near-death experiences

1610
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:23,090
have seen strange things in the sky

1611
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:25,850
again most can be explained but what was

1612
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:28,670
really interesting is that the response

1613
01:12:33,610 --> 01:12:31,310
to my work I mean hope I mean I wanted

1614
01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:33,620
to get once he came forward in 2010

1615
01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:37,160
because in 2005 now after being pursued

1616
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:38,150
by a number of

1617
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:40,310
Maker's while I was at the Arizona Heart

1618
01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:42,590
Institute working full-time 7:00 to 7:00

1619
01:12:46,689 --> 01:12:44,360
and then doing radio programs like this

1620
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:46,699
into the night and wise and Noble and

1621
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:49,400
borders tours for the book on the

1622
01:12:54,610 --> 01:12:52,010
weekend I was also being pursued by

1623
01:12:56,649 --> 01:12:54,620
filmmakers I had no time I wanted to do

1624
01:12:59,290 --> 01:12:56,659
something Julianne and finally one of

1625
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,300
them Steve Lance who had graduated from

1626
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:01,040
the Brooks Institute of photography and

1627
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:02,840
his parents lived here as doctor his

1628
01:13:07,390 --> 01:13:05,600
father as a doctor said I'm coming with

1629
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:07,400
my equipment and we're starting to film

1630
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:10,010
and May I said wait I said first of all

1631
01:13:13,959 --> 01:13:12,650
I said nonnamous for seven years I don't

1632
01:13:15,340 --> 01:13:13,969
know if people would want to come

1633
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:15,350
forward I understand that I mean people

1634
01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:17,870
and I take confidentiality as a

1635
01:13:22,540 --> 01:13:20,150
physician very seriously or anything

1636
01:13:24,459 --> 01:13:22,550
that wants to contact me it's really

1637
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:24,469
important when you have a paranormal

1638
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:27,290
experience to share it with at least one

1639
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,390
person it's very cathartic cuz if you

1640
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:31,760
don't it festers and it's not healthy so

1641
01:13:36,130 --> 01:13:34,159
just sharing with one other person and

1642
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,140
again I get emails or messages on

1643
01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:38,239
Facebook the Phoenix lights Network

1644
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:41,150
Facebook page every single day and it's

1645
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:42,920
important and I'm happy to be there for

1646
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:44,239
people to just let them know that

1647
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,100
they're not crazy that they're not alone

1648
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:47,840
that there's a lot more data out there

1649
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:52,250
that they can explore but anyway the

1650
01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:55,730
fact is that after I started he came

1651
01:14:01,060 --> 01:13:57,380
with his equipment every single person

1652
01:14:03,010 --> 01:14:01,070
there and I and I saw you University

1653
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:03,020
professors can lose their grants if they

1654
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:06,170
mention the word UFO at the time but

1655
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:09,290
every single one in including the head

1656
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:11,090
of the optical sciences department who

1657
01:14:17,770 --> 01:14:14,060
worked on the Star Wars program for the

1658
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:17,780
president is in the documentary and I

1659
01:14:22,990 --> 01:14:20,150
thought okay that's a sign plus effect

1660
01:14:25,149 --> 01:14:23,000
some parents and this is another project

1661
01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:25,159
that I just finished actually because

1662
01:14:29,229 --> 01:14:26,630
I'm working on a curriculum and we'll be

1663
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:29,239
talking about that at the 2018 MUFON

1664
01:14:37,149 --> 01:14:34,640
international symposium in July that you

1665
01:14:39,070 --> 01:14:37,159
know they invited me to a school here

1666
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,080
which was like well I mean they'll

1667
01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:41,360
actually let me in the door to talk to a

1668
01:14:47,709 --> 01:14:45,080
middle school about this topic and I to

1669
01:14:49,149 --> 01:14:47,719
200 middle school students in this

1670
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:49,159
auditorium and there were teachers and

1671
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:51,980
parents there you could hear a

1672
01:14:57,970 --> 01:14:55,670
and rot they thirst for this knowledge

1673
01:14:58,960 --> 01:14:57,980
and it was a first time that I realized

1674
01:15:01,900 --> 01:14:58,970
my goodness

1675
01:15:05,230 --> 01:15:01,910
I mean there is nothing nothing in our

1676
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:05,240
history books about this topic and that

1677
01:15:11,260 --> 01:15:08,510
really pushed me it was like a big sign

1678
01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:11,270
to say I've got something visually we

1679
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:14,270
started production by July it was like I

1680
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:16,970
mean I had to make a choice and in July

1681
01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:21,890
of 2004 I left my job and and went on to

1682
01:15:27,610 --> 01:15:24,710
finish a documentary it was released in

1683
01:15:29,290 --> 01:15:27,620
2005 we went over a dozen international

1684
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:29,300
film festival wars which is unheard of

1685
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:32,480
and I welcome people it's it's on Amazon

1686
01:15:36,940 --> 01:15:35,690
Amazon Prime I just want to get the

1687
01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:36,950
information out there and let people

1688
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:39,500
decide for themselves and hopefully

1689
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:42,170
they'll embrace that and appreciate the

1690
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:44,090
hard work not only myself but so many

1691
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:46,630
other people have done and and actually

1692
01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:49,730
when I came forward with the documentary

1693
01:15:54,190 --> 01:15:51,950
I got the documentary and booked to

1694
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:54,200
Symington and he is in the documentary

1695
01:16:01,060 --> 01:15:57,650
from an interview that he did on CNN but

1696
01:16:04,330 --> 01:16:01,070
I have yet to meet with him and you know

1697
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,340
I just I don't know why I just wanted to

1698
01:16:09,670 --> 01:16:07,520
thank him but he has really stayed in

1699
01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:09,680
the shadows he's very hard to to reach

1700
01:16:14,350 --> 01:16:12,260
him into to interview him these days but

1701
01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:14,360
I'm very great I think it was very great

1702
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:16,580
for him to come forward better late than

1703
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:20,480
never know that he saw it and that it

1704
01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:25,040
was in his own words other-worldly now I

1705
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,980
John McCain was asked about the case in

1706
01:16:32,260 --> 01:16:30,080
the immediate aftermath and he talked a

1707
01:16:33,550 --> 01:16:32,270
little vaguely about well people do have

1708
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:33,560
the right to know what's flying around

1709
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:35,870
in the skies but have you ever heard

1710
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,850
anything about any kind of follow-up did

1711
01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:40,400
he take any action did he do anything

1712
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:42,590
besides respond to a question during an

1713
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:44,450
interview about good question good

1714
01:16:47,530 --> 01:16:46,310
question in fact I tried to get in touch

1715
01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:47,540
with him at the time

1716
01:16:53,380 --> 01:16:50,120
and this was before he was running for

1717
01:16:55,660 --> 01:16:53,390
president and and I I was kind of

1718
01:16:57,130 --> 01:16:55,670
stonewalled myself I mean they wanted a

1719
01:17:00,190 --> 01:16:57,140
lot of information I didn't want to get

1720
01:17:02,730 --> 01:17:00,200
involved but Frances Barwood chats when

1721
01:17:05,649 --> 01:17:02,740
Frances Barwood did and she actually

1722
01:17:07,330 --> 01:17:05,659
contacted him

1723
01:17:09,549 --> 01:17:07,340
he has said that he's was stonewalled

1724
01:17:10,089 --> 01:17:09,559
but he got her letter and he said he

1725
01:17:11,890 --> 01:17:10,099
made a letter

1726
01:17:13,629 --> 01:17:11,900
let her up and sent it to the National

1727
01:17:19,299 --> 01:17:13,639
Archives she talks about it in the film

1728
01:17:21,429 --> 01:17:19,309
which is just that a repository and

1729
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:21,439
that's about the extent of it that's all

1730
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,030
he ever did that we know of and

1731
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:26,239
Symington does say quite clearly in his

1732
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:28,340
interviews that he was stonewalled and

1733
01:17:32,109 --> 01:17:29,780
he tried to find out what was going on

1734
01:17:35,429 --> 01:17:32,119
so but never you know and he felt bad I

1735
01:17:38,259 --> 01:17:35,439
know he felt bad that he he says he did

1736
01:17:39,879 --> 01:17:38,269
that he made a joke of it at first and

1737
01:17:42,759 --> 01:17:39,889
and I guess I got the better of him and

1738
01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:42,769
after seeing that you know people really

1739
01:17:47,709 --> 01:17:45,590
appreciate it and took my my coming

1740
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,719
forward seriously because the media here

1741
01:17:52,029 --> 01:17:49,280
and it's such a model for what should

1742
01:17:53,770 --> 01:17:52,039
happen because going back again to the

1743
01:17:55,509 --> 01:17:53,780
early 80s when I was doing health

1744
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:55,519
reporting a lot of the people that I

1745
01:17:59,949 --> 01:17:57,650
worked with at that time who were

1746
01:18:01,689 --> 01:17:59,959
underlings and just in production or

1747
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:01,699
whatever behind the scenes when I came

1748
01:18:07,779 --> 01:18:04,400
forward in 2004 we're now the head of

1749
01:18:10,209 --> 01:18:07,789
the news department at ABC the the head

1750
01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:10,219
of production at Fox I mean they they

1751
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:12,860
said you're dr. X which is what which

1752
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:15,289
labs called the person who had the video

1753
01:18:19,779 --> 01:18:17,090
and pictures dr. X

1754
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:19,789
they said you well come on over and they

1755
01:18:23,919 --> 01:18:22,159
have been so kind and so credible I mean

1756
01:18:26,409 --> 01:18:23,929
that's that's what's so important to

1757
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:26,419
keep this credible did you share the

1758
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:28,159
data and let people know that it's there

1759
01:18:33,009 --> 01:18:30,169
which I really appreciate you letting me

1760
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:33,019
do and now back to the kids I've been

1761
01:18:38,259 --> 01:18:35,150
working on a curriculum for half a dozen

1762
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:38,269
years for the 20th anniversary I came

1763
01:18:44,979 --> 01:18:42,320
out with a graphic novel activities

1764
01:18:46,839 --> 01:18:44,989
coloring book for all ages this is

1765
01:18:49,060 --> 01:18:46,849
really 21 years in the making

1766
01:18:50,799 --> 01:18:49,070
they just done the Phoenix lights it's

1767
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:50,809
called Phoenix lights UFOs and crop

1768
01:18:59,859 --> 01:18:55,610
circles adventure of sue fo fields of

1769
01:19:01,600 --> 01:18:59,869
the burger and Hugh ate ugh Hugh fo and

1770
01:19:04,449 --> 01:19:01,610
he's a little alien I work with a Disney

1771
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:04,459
illustrator and amazing teachers and a

1772
01:19:10,449 --> 01:19:08,449
map maker who actually took the study

1773
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:10,459
the twelve-year study came out and took

1774
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:14,570
pictures and and measured it's amazing

1775
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:18,289
this graphic novel is just packed with

1776
01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:18,890
such

1777
01:19:23,860 --> 01:19:21,350
incredible information there's a

1778
01:19:25,890 --> 01:19:23,870
black-and-white copy for only $9.99 on

1779
01:19:28,090 --> 01:19:25,900
Amazon and then there's a colored copy

1780
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,100
which shows you know how you can call

1781
01:19:33,730 --> 01:19:31,280
her it's really beautiful but anyway not

1782
01:19:34,990 --> 01:19:33,740
only do we base the story on a true

1783
01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:35,000
thing that happened there were kids out

1784
01:19:40,690 --> 01:19:38,780
playing baseball and see this V coming

1785
01:19:42,460 --> 01:19:40,700
towards them and I try to get both sides

1786
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:42,470
I have kids saying you know it's

1787
01:19:47,260 --> 01:19:44,210
balloons and somebody saying no it

1788
01:19:48,660 --> 01:19:47,270
couldn't keep that well firm ation and

1789
01:19:51,460 --> 01:19:48,670
another person saying I was helicopter

1790
01:19:53,860 --> 01:19:51,470
kids saying no it couldn't be there's no

1791
01:19:56,140 --> 01:19:53,870
sound and on and on and on and the next

1792
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:56,150
day it was the buzz at school and Sue is

1793
01:19:59,920 --> 01:19:57,890
really into it and the teacher says why

1794
01:20:02,200 --> 01:19:59,930
don't you go to the History Museum and

1795
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:02,210
see if there is any kind of history of

1796
01:20:06,190 --> 01:20:03,650
these phenomena and of course we do a

1797
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:06,200
whole history section and I actually got

1798
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:08,810
iconic pictures that people can draw

1799
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:11,330
underneath in there there are just

1800
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:13,250
amazing amazing pictures including a

1801
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:16,190
picture of a plane during World War two

1802
01:20:20,830 --> 01:20:18,080
with Foo Fighters around it you know

1803
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:20,840
I've seen that picture yeah of course we

1804
01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:23,690
have the picture of the Capitol building

1805
01:20:28,450 --> 01:20:26,390
in 52 with you know the same phenomena

1806
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:28,460
around the Capitol building and so forth

1807
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:31,520
and and we also show pictures of the

1808
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:33,530
difference between flares and two

1809
01:20:39,370 --> 01:20:36,290
unknowns which is really powerful to

1810
01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:39,380
just see it up close because the two

1811
01:20:42,910 --> 01:20:41,480
unknowns are so rock-solid and equal

1812
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,920
just information and the flares or

1813
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:44,960
haphazard with huge smoke trails and

1814
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:48,290
then we have a whole section on crop

1815
01:20:53,050 --> 01:20:51,170
circles 80 beautiful amazing crop

1816
01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:53,060
circles I tried to pick the ones that

1817
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:55,750
were the most complicated with geometric

1818
01:21:03,070 --> 01:20:58,250
formations and so forth the mathematic

1819
01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:03,080
mathematical background as well as

1820
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:06,230
activities and we have crossword puzzles

1821
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:08,510
and word finders and for all ages and

1822
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:10,610
it's such a great thing and and what I

1823
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:12,410
wanted to do is help parents and

1824
01:21:17,950 --> 01:21:14,510
grandparents to introduce this topic in

1825
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:17,960
a very gentle informative way to their

1826
01:21:22,030 --> 01:21:20,390
children and grandchildren as well as

1827
01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:22,040
themselves because it's packed with

1828
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:23,630
information and then we have the answers

1829
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,090
as well to all these incredible

1830
01:21:32,419 --> 01:21:29,120
activities the black and white copy is

1831
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:32,429
150 pages in the color copy is 106

1832
01:21:36,979 --> 01:21:35,159
pages and I welcome people to take a

1833
01:21:38,449 --> 01:21:36,989
peek of that because it's really amazing

1834
01:21:41,239 --> 01:21:38,459
and I'll have some of those of course

1835
01:21:43,219 --> 01:21:41,249
with the book and documentary DVD which

1836
01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:43,229
has incredible bonus features that's not

1837
01:21:48,379 --> 01:21:45,329
Edgar Mitchell is in it and in the bonus

1838
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:48,389
feature not only is the in it in the end

1839
01:21:53,169 --> 01:21:50,760
the regular movie and he's he was being

1840
01:21:55,429 --> 01:21:53,179
contacted he was actually in real time

1841
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:55,439
contacted while the mass sighting was

1842
01:21:59,419 --> 01:21:57,510
going on and he also talks about the

1843
01:22:01,969 --> 01:21:59,429
cover-up which I do not address in the

1844
01:22:04,609 --> 01:22:01,979
in the documentary but he does in the

1845
01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:04,619
and the bonus features plus coincidences

1846
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:06,389
they'll going back to coincidences if I

1847
01:22:10,879 --> 01:22:08,729
could just relate this real quick there

1848
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:10,889
were coincidences on March 13th

1849
01:22:15,169 --> 01:22:13,170
we have time for me to share that oh

1850
01:22:16,689 --> 01:22:15,179
yeah we've got that we've got all the

1851
01:22:22,459 --> 01:22:16,699
time in the world now you said that you

1852
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,469
said you had now I got one more question

1853
01:22:26,209 --> 01:22:24,360
I really want to get in but yeah you go

1854
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:26,219
for it okay well real quickly the

1855
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:28,530
coincidences just on march 13th itself

1856
01:22:34,489 --> 01:22:31,920
or are pretty intriguing because number

1857
01:22:36,739 --> 01:22:34,499
one a satellite that was built in

1858
01:22:39,859 --> 01:22:36,749
Chandler Arizona and they reported this

1859
01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:39,869
to village labs at the time that is

1860
01:22:44,089 --> 01:22:41,820
supposed to was supposed to detect

1861
01:22:49,489 --> 01:22:44,099
incoming missiles went dead that night

1862
01:22:54,049 --> 01:22:49,499
on March 13 1997 second months later in

1863
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:54,059
July of 1997 in scientific America they

1864
01:22:57,739 --> 01:22:56,280
did not mention the Phoenix lights but

1865
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,749
they mentioned a whole article

1866
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,239
multi-page article about strange gamma

1867
01:23:06,859 --> 01:23:02,880
rays they came into our atmosphere on

1868
01:23:09,919 --> 01:23:06,869
march 13th 1997 now if you remember n

1869
01:23:12,589 --> 01:23:09,929
President Clinton Bill Clinton was down

1870
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:12,599
in Florida was the golfer Craig Norman

1871
01:23:19,819 --> 01:23:17,219
and what was the the the buzz was that

1872
01:23:21,949 --> 01:23:19,829
he was rushed out from his house and

1873
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:21,959
actually supposedly broke his knee and

1874
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,510
there's no pictures of that to a hundred

1875
01:23:30,799 --> 01:23:27,360
words location and the fourth thing and

1876
01:23:32,839 --> 01:23:30,809
to me this is just you know speculation

1877
01:23:35,299 --> 01:23:32,849
but it was told to me by some insiders

1878
01:23:37,939 --> 01:23:35,309
that we went to DEFCON three that night

1879
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:37,949
so these are some thorium the

1880
01:23:42,469 --> 01:23:40,289
coincidence is it happened on March 13th

1881
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:42,479
and with that I just you know want to

1882
01:23:45,650 --> 01:23:44,610
want to share that um you know it's a

1883
01:23:47,690 --> 01:23:45,660
joy being with you

1884
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:47,700
and I hope this has been informative and

1885
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,090
there's a lot more to this well we've

1886
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:53,400
got we got we got them warmed up for you

1887
01:24:00,650 --> 01:23:59,100
well you got a more in-depth for you one

1888
01:24:03,710 --> 01:24:00,660
question I really want to get in though

1889
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:03,720
is we talked about pot I'm assuming this

1890
01:24:07,820 --> 01:24:05,490
is an estimate ten thousand witnesses

1891
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:07,830
maybe twenty thousand witnesses but how

1892
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:09,690
many people like would you estimate that

1893
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:12,150
between you and anyone else who's a

1894
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:14,610
compiled data on this particular case

1895
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:16,590
how many witnesses would you say you've

1896
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:19,910
got on record I'm not as anonymously

1897
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,280
full names full details or just yeah I

1898
01:24:28,490 --> 01:24:25,440
saw it how many people you think are on

1899
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:28,500
record as having witnessed this in one

1900
01:24:34,370 --> 01:24:31,770
way or another I know myself that I have

1901
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:34,380
over 20 emails from 20,000 emails from

1902
01:24:45,230 --> 01:24:42,320
somebody tells me I can share and we do

1903
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:45,240
have a share page on the website on

1904
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:47,820
where people can you know we very

1905
01:24:52,850 --> 01:24:50,010
interesting reports that people have

1906
01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:52,860
given me permission to share and some of

1907
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:54,840
them are from military and pilots so

1908
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:57,090
they can get a taste and certainly in

1909
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,890
the book and in the documentary itself

1910
01:25:03,470 --> 01:25:00,960
though hear from people first-hand and

1911
01:25:06,650 --> 01:25:03,480
we have military and pilots and nurses

1912
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:06,660
and detectives and some wonderful people

1913
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:09,900
that have shared you know their stories

1914
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:12,150
and and it's a very heartfelt and it's

1915
01:25:17,210 --> 01:25:14,730
very detailed and it is what it is so

1916
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:17,220
okay I'm glad I asked because I was

1917
01:25:20,690 --> 01:25:18,930
speaking well they say 10,000 that's

1918
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,700
probably an estimate but they probably

1919
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:22,800
in a big case like this they might have

1920
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:29,360
you know received over a thousand

1921
01:25:34,190 --> 01:25:31,020
herself and and this was just at the

1922
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:34,200
time okay and and national UFO Reporting

1923
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:36,330
Center and they've received thousands

1924
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:38,670
you can go on their website and see for

1925
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:40,260
yourself where people sent them pictures

1926
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:43,410
and drawings diagrams and so forth I

1927
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:46,010
mean it's thousands and thousands and

1928
01:25:51,340 --> 01:25:49,290
it's mind-boggling to me when I go out

1929
01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:51,350
and about and I'm speaking about this

1930
01:25:55,980 --> 01:25:53,070
inevitably there's people in the

1931
01:25:58,350 --> 01:25:55,990
audience that also saw it they you know

1932
01:26:00,060 --> 01:25:58,360
I had met before though I mean it's and

1933
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:00,070
certainly every year we have our

1934
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:02,050
sold-out event at Scottsdale Harkins a

1935
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:04,330
theater around the anniversary time that

1936
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:07,090
you know I asked and and there's

1937
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:08,950
thousands and thousands of people alone

1938
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:12,070
that I through through the years doing

1939
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:15,970
this since 2005 they have told me their

1940
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:19,210
stories so personally so you know we're

1941
01:26:23,220 --> 01:26:21,070
talking I mean at least 10,000 people

1942
01:26:25,050 --> 01:26:23,230
yeah yeah I didn't like I said I thought

1943
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:25,060
that was maybe an estimate and there may

1944
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:27,010
be a few hundred that have actually

1945
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:30,880
provided some detailed account but yeah

1946
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:32,290
I didn't realize the number was that big

1947
01:26:36,540 --> 01:26:34,210
that's amazing that's really amazing

1948
01:26:40,050 --> 01:26:36,550
yes it is it is that's why I cannot be

1949
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:40,060
denied or or explain to this day and you

1950
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:42,700
know I hope one day we do find out you

1951
01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:46,570
know who is behind it and I'm open to

1952
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:48,430
any logical explanation but there is yet

1953
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:50,770
to be one putting it in a dr. lee

1954
01:26:56,970 --> 01:26:53,650
context that they did no harm well

1955
01:26:59,610 --> 01:26:56,980
that's one of the important things for

1956
01:27:02,550 --> 01:26:59,620
me to come forward to share with people

1957
01:27:05,070 --> 01:27:02,560
because as I said we're so inundated

1958
01:27:08,630 --> 01:27:05,080
with fear fear fear and threat with

1959
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:08,640
Hollywood and and you know the media

1960
01:27:13,170 --> 01:27:11,890
that you know how are people supposed to

1961
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:13,180
react when they see something so unusual

1962
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:15,910
so hopefully and again I'm just I don't

1963
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:18,730
know what else is out there I'm focusing

1964
01:27:20,970 --> 01:27:19,960
on the Phoenix lights phenomena itself

1965
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,980
and I can tell you from firsthand

1966
01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:23,920
knowledge it has been nothing but a joy

1967
01:27:29,490 --> 01:27:27,190
and awesome and inspiring and just

1968
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:29,500
amazing my entire journey and of course

1969
01:27:33,210 --> 01:27:31,090
there are some people out there that

1970
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:33,220
can't deal with it don't want to deal

1971
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:35,170
with it or want to discredit and that's

1972
01:27:39,450 --> 01:27:38,320
that's you know very very sad that you

1973
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:39,460
know people want to discredit the

1974
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:41,350
messenger so they won't listen to the

1975
01:27:44,610 --> 01:27:43,210
message so I appreciate that you're

1976
01:27:47,070 --> 01:27:44,620
letting me share the message and I hope

1977
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:47,080
people seek out the the website which is

1978
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:50,290
totally free and packed with information

1979
01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:53,500
as well as the book and in fact the

1980
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,720
Kindle version the latest edition which

1981
01:27:59,190 --> 01:27:57,520
I share another picture which is mind

1982
01:28:02,280 --> 01:27:59,200
boggling which actually and I won't ruin

1983
01:28:06,650 --> 01:28:02,290
it I will not spoil a or which actually

1984
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:06,660
prompted me put the tail you know the

1985
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:09,670
icing on the cake to prompt me

1986
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,410
to come forward in 2004 so I finally put

1987
01:28:18,930 --> 01:28:16,960
it in the latest version of the book the

1988
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:18,940
third edition and the Kindle version by

1989
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:21,760
the way has colored pictures it also has

1990
01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:24,460
links so people you know I tried to put

1991
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:25,900
links throughout the book so people can

1992
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:29,410
explore other options and and it's only

1993
01:28:37,169 --> 01:28:34,000
$9.99 on Amazon so I really tried to

1994
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:37,179
keep it at a very reasonable price on

1995
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:39,760
the documentary right now it's not only

1996
01:28:46,620 --> 01:28:42,730
the DVD is offered with incredible bonus

1997
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:46,630
features we have a 93 year young french

1998
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:49,510
pilot who was actually a witness to the

1999
01:28:55,979 --> 01:28:52,330
Foo Fighters and he in World War 2 and

2000
01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:55,989
he tells his story and how he tried to

2001
01:28:59,459 --> 01:28:57,550
report it and what happened to him when

2002
01:29:02,939 --> 01:28:59,469
he tried to report it very interesting

2003
01:29:04,979 --> 01:29:02,949
as well as a pilot a commercial pilot

2004
01:29:07,650 --> 01:29:04,989
Vietnam pilot who was right underneath

2005
01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:07,660
one of these craft and looked into one

2006
01:29:11,970 --> 01:29:10,360
of the wells canisters as he called it

2007
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:11,980
and talks about how it could never be

2008
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:14,050
flares and and lots more and the

2009
01:29:18,450 --> 01:29:16,090
coincidences and lots more in the bonus

2010
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:18,460
features but we also have it offered if

2011
01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:21,610
you have Amazon Prime for free and and

2012
01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:25,630
at a very you know minimal rate if you

2013
01:29:30,090 --> 01:29:27,820
don't have Amazon Prime so you know

2014
01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:30,100
people can can take a look at it and

2015
01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:34,420
decide for themselves and you're gonna

2016
01:29:38,669 --> 01:29:36,820
be in Cherry Hill New Jersey towards the

2017
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,679
end the next month I think there's a

2018
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:40,239
very good likelihood I'm gonna be there

2019
01:29:47,310 --> 01:29:45,310
myself yeah I think so I think so I hope

2020
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:47,320
so I hope we finally get to meet fry

2021
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:49,810
because they're on Facebook for some

2022
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:52,090
years and you know I I remember I

2023
01:29:55,709 --> 01:29:54,070
remember one of our first exchanges I

2024
01:29:57,870 --> 01:29:55,719
don't know if you do or not but I kept

2025
01:30:00,810 --> 01:29:57,880
telling you just hang in there because

2026
01:30:02,430 --> 01:30:00,820
this stuff that I find is old stuff

2027
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:02,440
generally the really interesting stuff

2028
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:04,210
it's old stuff it's been floating around

2029
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:04,960
for years

2030
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:07,360
nobody really found it and made a big

2031
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:09,520
deal about it and that's kind of where I

2032
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:11,920
had some early success researching all

2033
01:30:15,959 --> 01:30:13,690
this stuff and I remember telling you

2034
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:15,969
dr. Lynn you just hang in there because

2035
01:30:20,130 --> 01:30:17,920
more is going to be coming your way I

2036
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:20,140
don't know in what form or what it's

2037
01:30:23,010 --> 01:30:22,420
going to be but that's the way it goes

2038
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:23,020
in this

2039
01:30:27,150 --> 01:30:25,210
crazy UFO business it doesn't all come

2040
01:30:29,670 --> 01:30:27,160
out at once it comes out in drips and

2041
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:29,680
drops sometimes over a period of years

2042
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:33,520
and even decades you're absolutely

2043
01:30:37,710 --> 01:30:34,570
absolutely

2044
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:37,720
in fact books in the third print the

2045
01:30:43,410 --> 01:30:41,050
video is a third version and now we have

2046
01:30:46,710 --> 01:30:43,420
the graphic novel activities coloring

2047
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:46,720
book and with each you know new version

2048
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,810
or addition there is every time there's

2049
01:30:54,030 --> 01:30:52,000
new information we're just learning that

2050
01:30:56,970 --> 01:30:54,040
the ingredients of life are out there

2051
01:30:58,830 --> 01:30:56,980
whether it's amino acids or oxygen and

2052
01:31:02,010 --> 01:30:58,840
hydrogen and so forth I mean we're made

2053
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:02,020
of Stardust when a star bursts these

2054
01:31:06,750 --> 01:31:04,570
these organic materials are sent all

2055
01:31:10,260 --> 01:31:06,760
over the universe and you know it's just

2056
01:31:13,650 --> 01:31:10,270
to think that there is no other life out

2057
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:13,660
there essentially out there is is really

2058
01:31:18,810 --> 01:31:16,450
limiting our mind and the possibility so

2059
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:18,820
you know all I can say is that you know

2060
01:31:22,980 --> 01:31:20,530
the Phoenix lights is what it is it has

2061
01:31:24,810 --> 01:31:22,990
evolved as you said new information

2062
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:24,820
keeps coming forward you know some

2063
01:31:27,690 --> 01:31:26,110
people say oh it's such old news well

2064
01:31:30,210 --> 01:31:27,700
you know what it's not old news at all

2065
01:31:34,890 --> 01:31:30,220
those new news coming forward like Kurt

2066
01:31:36,860 --> 01:31:34,900
Russell or like coming forward you know

2067
01:31:40,140 --> 01:31:36,870
in the New York Times

2068
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:40,150
admitting that there has been a 22

2069
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:42,610
million dollar study headed by you know

2070
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:45,490
Henry Reid at the Pentagon for pilot and

2071
01:31:49,710 --> 01:31:47,290
military and that's all they're

2072
01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:49,720
admitting though it's probably a lot

2073
01:31:54,990 --> 01:31:52,630
more for many many many decades new

2074
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:55,000
material comes out all the time and I

2075
01:31:59,670 --> 01:31:57,010
you know I try to keep up with it in

2076
01:32:02,880 --> 01:31:59,680
fact on the website and then the Phoenix

2077
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:02,890
lights Network page on Facebook I by the

2078
01:32:10,170 --> 01:32:06,210
way took what he feels was a benevolent

2079
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:10,180
contact and made it scary but he'll be

2080
01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:13,450
speaking also in showing his storm at

2081
01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:15,150
the MUFON international symposium on

2082
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:18,160
Friday and Saturday the 27th 28th of

2083
01:32:24,750 --> 01:32:22,570
July so for free as Y so I hope that

2084
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:24,760
many people in the area will come visit

2085
01:32:28,740 --> 01:32:27,160
us and hear the rest of the story

2086
01:32:31,170 --> 01:32:28,750
because there are a lot more that I

2087
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,180
could get into but I'll let people enjoy

2088
01:32:35,970 --> 01:32:33,600
it for themselves in the documentary and

2089
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:35,980
hopefully come and visit us and I hope

2090
01:32:39,670 --> 01:32:36,890
to meet you too

2091
01:32:41,050 --> 01:32:39,680
yeah yeah 95 I would say 95 plus percent

2092
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:41,060
chance I'm gonna be there

2093
01:32:48,580 --> 01:32:45,650
excellent I really appreciate your time

2094
01:32:51,790 --> 01:32:48,590
and and again people can contact me

2095
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:51,800
either via the the website contact is a

2096
01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:53,570
link right at the top of the page or

2097
01:32:58,270 --> 01:32:56,390
through Facebook because I love to hear

2098
01:33:02,890 --> 01:32:58,280
from people and hear their stories and

2099
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:02,900
I'm there for them yeah you know to let

2100
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:05,720
them know that we're not alone and and I

2101
01:33:12,190 --> 01:33:09,920
urge people also again the unexplained

2102
01:33:14,410 --> 01:33:12,200
phenomenon up to keep looking up the

2103
01:33:16,450 --> 01:33:14,420
double undone we're doing we do for a

2104
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:16,460
once a decade a case like this comes

2105
01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:18,410
along and we're due for another one

2106
01:33:22,660 --> 01:33:20,630
well actually this has been Hale the

2107
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:22,670
Phoenix place has been held now globally

2108
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:26,690
as the most witnessed most documented

2109
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:29,360
and most important mass anomalous aerial

2110
01:33:36,130 --> 01:33:32,930
survey ting in modern history yep yep

2111
01:33:38,650 --> 01:33:36,140
yep it got got Phoenix pretty worked up

2112
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:38,660
I yeah I can't think of another case

2113
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:41,840
that got a community as large as Phoenix

2114
01:33:46,450 --> 01:33:44,210
so yeah wait absolutely makes sense that

2115
01:33:48,190 --> 01:33:46,460
it's not just Phoenix it's Arizona and

2116
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:48,200
by the way I should mention too that it

2117
01:33:52,570 --> 01:33:49,760
wasn't just Arizona as I mentioned

2118
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:52,580
earlier it was New Mexico California and

2119
01:33:58,360 --> 01:33:55,010
Nevada also we're seeing the same exact

2120
01:34:00,280 --> 01:33:58,370
phenomena over that doesn't our period

2121
01:34:02,980 --> 01:34:00,290
on March 13th that we were seeing

2122
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:02,990
throughout Arizona so it's much more

2123
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:05,510
far-reaching and yeah there's a lot more

2124
01:34:09,610 --> 01:34:07,850
you know intricate details in the book

2125
01:34:11,980 --> 01:34:09,620
that I hope people will search out

2126
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,990
absolutely yeah yeah we we covered a lot

2127
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:13,760
of ground but I I know that we didn't

2128
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:14,480
cover at all

2129
01:34:18,820 --> 01:34:17,210
so Dr Lin I think a very good chance

2130
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:18,830
I'll be seeing you and about a month or

2131
01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:21,470
so over in Cherry Hill thanks for

2132
01:34:27,940 --> 01:34:25,670
joining us it was fantastic this is the

2133
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:27,950
first time I've really we've had the

2134
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:29,680
chance to have somebody on to talk about

2135
01:34:34,740 --> 01:34:32,510
one of these more modern cases who was

2136
01:34:37,660 --> 01:34:34,750
involved directly witnessed yourself

2137
01:34:39,730 --> 01:34:37,670
thanks for coming on we got more we got

2138
01:34:41,170 --> 01:34:39,740
more coming up like this I think John

2139
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:41,180
Burroughs is gonna do our show next

2140
01:34:45,700 --> 01:34:43,910
month that that's going to be good yeah

2141
01:34:47,110 --> 01:34:45,710
these these cases are interesting in

2142
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:47,120
that like I was telling you before we

2143
01:34:51,090 --> 01:34:49,970
went on their cases because you guys are

2144
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:51,100
still out there you

2145
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:53,120
finding stuff out and you're doing the

2146
01:34:57,070 --> 01:34:55,250
research so I kind of lay off looking at

2147
01:34:59,140 --> 01:34:57,080
them too closely but I've learned a lot

2148
01:35:02,020 --> 01:34:59,150
today thank you so very much for coming

2149
01:35:05,530 --> 01:35:02,030
on well thank you for having me on and

2150
01:35:06,970 --> 01:35:05,540
and keep looking up you know there's

2151
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:06,980
there's many things happening out there

2152
01:35:12,430 --> 01:35:09,730
with an open mind and an open heart and

2153
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:12,440
thank you again for letting me share not

2154
01:35:23,229 --> 01:35:20,480
a problem you have a great day and what

2155
01:35:26,590 --> 01:35:23,239
I am going to do now is there is a video

2156
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:26,600
at the Phoenix lights website that I'm

2157
01:35:31,930 --> 01:35:28,570
gonna play goes into some detail about

2158
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:31,940
how how the site is kind of laid out

2159
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,090
they're mapped the trajectory a lot of

2160
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:37,280
detail so I'm gonna run that now we'll

2161
01:35:41,290 --> 01:35:40,010
be done now when that video closes down

2162
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:41,300
I'm going to shut down the livestream

2163
01:35:48,189 --> 01:35:44,449
but I'm gonna play that now and enjoy it

2164
01:35:50,350 --> 01:35:48,199
I think it's a lace things out visually

2165
01:35:57,580 --> 01:35:50,360
as well as just with some narration so

2166
01:37:36,709 --> 01:36:15,540
[Music]

2167
01:37:40,099 --> 01:37:36,719
fighter jets approached aptitude test

2168
01:37:42,259 --> 01:37:40,109
the odd degree then proceeded towards

2169
01:38:11,949 --> 01:37:42,269
the South Mountain this is second round

2170
01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:17,869
sweep was seen at an altitude of

2171
01:38:26,659 --> 01:38:23,699
approximately 1500 feet 300 feet away we

2172
01:38:29,299 --> 01:38:26,669
recorded as divided from the hood and it

2173
01:38:32,179 --> 01:38:29,309
appeared decent return there were before

2174
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:32,189
our eyes on the leading edges and have

2175
01:38:37,010 --> 01:38:33,050
revenue

2176
01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:37,020
object the object was to destroy the

2177
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:42,300
witch this is my I wanted someone else

2178
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:51,880
road traveling west the auditors south

2179
01:38:57,380 --> 01:38:55,410
america to draw and influence swap meet

2180
01:39:07,250 --> 01:38:57,390
it is believed this is a particular

2181
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:07,260
object to the south another view a lot

2182
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:09,750
of trial estimated to be around 25 an

2183
01:39:15,260 --> 01:39:12,960
interview law has to be nice one of them

2184
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:15,270
each of the tests and in one revenant

2185
01:39:17,690 --> 01:39:15,870
sir

2186
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:17,700
women's is a service decisions

2187
01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:19,920
triangular craft just north of the be

2188
01:39:29,260 --> 01:39:22,260
behind in highway traveling south east

2189
01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:33,050
sled enjoy dinner hobbies and probably

2190
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:34,350
for each other in two different

2191
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:39,060
directions this is almost a ten also

2192
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:44,250
reward while traveling or philosophy is

2193
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:46,590
the craft has realized some of those

2194
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:49,710
anyone's chair it is a clearance

2195
01:39:56,660 --> 01:39:52,530
particular grab it is the same logic if

2196
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,670
lures law he there are also reports of

2197
01:40:02,630 --> 01:40:00,000
an enormous widen the medicine craft as

2198
01:40:05,210 --> 01:40:02,640
stated to you how long three quarters of

2199
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:05,220
a mile wide whether he realizes its

2200
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:07,770
perimeter the antigen is last seen how a

2201
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:09,570
just out of the reach to the medina